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January 4, 2009
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Even before the current Israeli military operation, conditions at Gaza's main Shifa hospital were close to disastrous, with shortages of medicine and a chronic lack of equipment.

Now, doctors at that medical facility are saying the number of patients has reached critical mass and they're simply unable to cope.

A norwegian doctor, volunterring in Gaza, says that since the Israeli ground offensive began in the last 24 hours, he has seen "triple the number of cases."

Dr Erik Fosse tells CNN that about 30% of the injured and deceased at Shifa hospital are children.

"We were operating in the corridors, patients were lying everywhere, and people were dying before they got treatment," he said.

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dominique   January 4th, 2009 2234 GMT

January 4th, 2009 2220 GMT

Sincerely, who are we kidding….
Let s clarify who the Gaza people are:
They are the arabs who use to live in Israel, confined in refugee camp, denied a country, an economy, even medications and food.
It is a refugee camp, those people had their land and home occupied by settlers..

They fire hand made rockets (and I condemn that), but it is a sign of despair, of resistance, trying not to be forgotten as they are being starved … They know well they can t fight the israeli army….but they resist, even by throwing rocks at F16s…

You see well that no ones goes back to the real source of this pb, with the creation of israel, and the ethnic cleansing that happened in that area…

You cannot just starve people into submission after you take away all they had…

Would love to see a fair impartial documentary on the origin of this pb with the creation of Israel… But Knowing thet the Zion lobbyist will never allow that since they control most TV channels and are very influencal….

dominique   January 4th, 2009 2251 GMT

srael was founded in 1948 , decalred by Ben Gurion..
Read his books and speeches.. “as we are working of the usrpation of arab’s land …” 1939
“if I were an arab dirigeant, I would never signs anything with Isreal.. after all we are stealing their land”…

Or what, palestine was an empty national park? and nice jewish settler, decided to take it since no one was there?
What would they have done the arabs that used to live their?? Where re all the people in gaza from… ??? how could they be 1.5 million in such a small area.. why are they refugee camps..?? who are they fleeing,…
Come on…..

CubFan   January 4th, 2009 2253 GMT

Hamas is lucky they are not sending missiles into Chicago, we would have every last one them exterminated. The Palestinians might just be the stupidest people on earth. They are sitting on the Mediterranean, the Holy Land, a ton of natural gas, and are neighbors with the most advanced nation in the world and all these morons want to do is pick a fight with Israel. It is about time the Palestinian people wake up and throw Hamas out and start build a better future for their children. There is no excuse for a people, blessed with so many resources to squander them on hate.

Lee   January 4th, 2009 2254 GMT

The clips i posted are were removed but go to youtube and do a search of "hamas childrens programming" and look at what they teach their children in Gaza, how they glorify suicide bombers and how they rant not against Israelis, but against Jews.

Israel's acts are clearly acts of self-defense against barbarians hell-bent on destroying the state of Israel.

By the way, Dominique, I've seen Saudi programming where children are taught to call Jews pigs and monkeys. That's probably where Tala is getting her, um, eloquence.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2257 GMT

dominique.

not many people know that almost half of the people in Gaza are refugees from Previous wars.thank you for reminding us.

earle,florida   January 4th, 2009 2300 GMT

Justice will come when the world grasp the severities of these crimes against humanity! With hundreds dead,and thousands injured,all the redeeming values equate to a materialistic "Barrel of Oil"? If only we could use "Blood" to substitute for our energy problems would the, "Slaughter of Mankind ,Jusify the Devil's Deed"

American Jew   January 4th, 2009 2302 GMT

Great, a new venue for more

"Blog Wars–war of the words Part 475.

About time. Keep that info coming Dominique. I am another "outraged Jew" by Israel's actions

For the Israeli Gov't:

War=Peace...

go figure...

Hunk   January 4th, 2009 2309 GMT

CubFan

"Hamas is lucky they are not sending missiles into Chicago, we would have every last one them exterminated. The Palestinians might just be the stupidest people on earth"

Same way should the Japanese nuke you, just wondering or they were cowards ? .

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2310 GMT

the picture on the top of the page tell the whole story Israel is the one that target civilians Israel so far killed 180 women and children.and they are talking about hi tec weapons that they are using to prevent civilian death.

I am sure the pro Israeli posters will repeat the same lies.they are hiding behind children that is why so much civilian death.

well this is from the Israeli army. we will secure the areas in north Gaza that hamas is using to attack Israeli cities. for every one who know that area knows that it is almost Uninhabited with very few houses there.

Nona   January 4th, 2009 2312 GMT

6,000 rockets fired on its cities and Israel is the aggessor? Give me a break.

Questions for Hamas:

Instead of using tunnels to smuggle in weapons, why don't you use them to "smuggle" in food and medical supplies?

Instead of building terrorist training camps, why don't you build power plants and commerical farms?

Instead of encouraging your children to aspire to be suicide bombers, why don't you encourage them to be doctors and teachers and businesspeople.

Oh, right ... because none of those things would contribute to the destruction of Israel and then you'd have to live in peace with your neighbors.

Cry me a river.

Sofia   January 4th, 2009 2313 GMT

That image itself is traumatizing, I can't even fathom how it must be inside the actual crowded hospitals. God willing, may there be peace soon.

CubFan   January 4th, 2009 2320 GMT

Hamas is getting the appropriate response from Israel. You do not win a war without leveling a disproportionate response. The Allied forces took Berlin on April 16th 1945 with 2,500,000 men, 6250 tanks, 41,000, artillery guns and mortars, 4200 rocket launchers and 7,500 hundred aircraft. No building was left standing. The people of Gaza the United States, Russia, Great Britain, France and the rest of the world are not fighting against them. Hamas and the rest of the Palestinian are lucky those missiles are only hitting Israeli targets or they would have been obliterated.

mahmoud jboor   January 4th, 2009 2321 GMT

how can one see this picture !!??? uranium injected weopons are in use by israel military at these moments !!...of the 72 killed to day there are 25 child or more....!!!!!!!!

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2323 GMT

Nona.

Instead of advising the Palestinians how to behave.why dont you advice Israel to stop its Jewish terrorist settlers from stealing Palestinian homes.

Louis   January 4th, 2009 2328 GMT

This Palestinian Holocaust reeks with the odor of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazi Regime just 60 some years ago. The Ghetto uprising, was at least temporarily, much more successful.

Nona   January 4th, 2009 2328 GMT

Solomon – I take your deflective response to mean you are an advocate of suicide bombings and terrorism, in which case we have nothing to discuss. Everybody knows there is no negotiating with terrorists, because their only interest is inflicting terror. They have no interest in peace. Which explains the SOP of Hamas.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2332 GMT

CubFan.

would you say the same if that little girl is your daughter if you have one. .

to compare Gaza to Berlin shows how informed you are.

Kevin   January 4th, 2009 2334 GMT

The Palestinians have no one to blame other than Hamas for this situation.

mahmoud jboor   January 4th, 2009 2334 GMT

dear hala gurani ....to be fair you have to report from gaza ...all the day you are interviewing and plo people !! this also implies on chrestien amanphor contibutions ....

Jullia   January 4th, 2009 2336 GMT

How sad that Palestinians have inflicted such horror on their children by their steadfast refusal to coexist peacefully with Israel. The photo above is what happens when parents breastfeed their children on hate. I've seen similar photos of Israeli children injured by Hamas rockets. Time for both sides to put down both their arms and their hubris and just live in peace together.

dominique   January 4th, 2009 2336 GMT

Nona, sounds from what you re saying that whoever is not pro israel, no matter what they do is a terrosrist, or supports, them.... treating Solomon of suicide bombers advocate?
Same kind of dementia that was going on in the Nazi Germany....

Jewish and ashamed to be...

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2338 GMT

Nona.
occupied people can use any possible mean to fight their occupiers it is not me that say that it is international law if you have a problem with that too bad.

maybe when your whole family is killed by a brutal occupying force you can take a flower and give it to the Murderers of your family .I will not.

Hunk   January 4th, 2009 2339 GMT

Nona,

Define terrorism ? is fighting an army that want to kill you, when the come to take you .... is not self defence ...

All people there are not Hamas, i have a friend there and he is a doctor ...

LynnB   January 4th, 2009 2339 GMT

It' s amazing that here in U.S. we're hearing about that idiot Bloomberg giving the Israel "answers" while on ALL world news they're showing the carnage that Isreal has invoked. Let's see the CNN in U.S; show what Isreal has done to the civilians in Palestine.!!
It will shock all of you.

Onion   January 4th, 2009 2340 GMT

If you didn't think your forces were superior, to the best of your knowledge and in a way which could win you the conflict, why would you attack?

I don't know of any nation, during any war, which used less than its best effort when attacking the enemy. Why should Israel respond to Hamas with anything less than a much stronger military force?

Shari   January 4th, 2009 2340 GMT

Why is the press so biased towards Arab countries? The news coming out of the US is so completely different than what is being reported in other countries.
The only thing that is coming out of the news from the US is always about Israel and their losses. What about the fact that Israel was violating internation law? Specifically Un Resolution 242 and 338?
There is a strong condemnation of the US giving Israel the "go ahead" for this war on the Palestinian people.
The only thing I've seen on CNN is about the 1 Israeli soldier who died..............What about the 508 Palestinian people, a full 1/3 who are children being massacred all in the name of "terror".
CNN is a master at censorship.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2341 GMT

by the way Nona.

all the people of the Middle east and most of the people of the world consider Israel as the terrorist nation.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2343 GMT

Nona.
tell me what is the difference between killing a child with an F16 or killing him in a suicide attack? both is terrorism.

mahmoud jboor   January 4th, 2009 2347 GMT

hala guani... to be fair you have to report from gaza.....all the day you are intrvieweing israelies and plo !! this also implies on christean amanphore contributions ...

nona   January 4th, 2009 2348 GMT

Dominique - no, that' s not what I'm saying at all. Everybody has a right to defend itself. I do believe Israel has a right to exist (as does the UN). Hamas does not. I define terrorists as people who deliberately target civilians for death, who hide weapons in civilian homes and schools and churches, and who praise their children for becoming suicide bombers and pay parents generous stipends for successfully doing so. Hamas is a terrorist organizatin, and the world recognizes it. Israel is not, and the world recognizes it. You say you are a Jew - you are indeed very brave. You are defending people who would murder you and your children just because you are a Jew and who don't really care how sympathetic you are to Palestiniana causes.

Solomon - I already said that we have nothing to discuss since as a proponent of terrorists, you are only interested in spreading more terror. I realize that you may be a little too thick to get that, but try to follow.

Hunk - I defined terrorism in my comments to Dominique. And by the way, plenty of Hamas leaders are doctors. Hippocratic oaths mean nothing to them. In contrast, Israel and its Jewish doctors treat Palestinians in its hospitals - yes, they give medical care to the very suicide bombers who try to kill their citizens. Hardly the work of terrorists.

Hamas defines "occupation" as the existence of Israel. Israel has the right to exist. Palestinians have the right to exist in peace too, but they have to want peace more than they want the deaths of Jews for it to happen.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2349 GMT

"The photo above is what happens when parents breastfeed their children on hate. I’ve seen similar photos of Israeli"

Jullia.

how did you know that Palestinians parents breast fed their children hate?
it seems that your mother breastfed you the hate of the Palestinians you are not even worth to be called a human to say things like that about a child that was targeted by the Israeli defeated forces.

Mohammad N.   January 4th, 2009 2351 GMT

The is what the media is hiding from you people.

1: Israel was responsible for breaking the ceasefire because it continued to traget inoccent civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. They are still occupying most of the West Bank and keep on stealing land from the Palestinians.

2: It's true that Israel withdrew from Gaza after 50 some years of occupation but the fact or the matter is they kept the boarder sealed and provented humanitarian needs from entering.

3: Israel clamis that it's a free country and that it is innocent. My question is why doesn't the IDF let reporters into Gaza to see what is happening on the ground? There are so many reports from CNN and other news channels that ambulances have even become a target. An ambulance carrying 2 wounded and a doctor was hit 3 times by the Israeli IDF and they didn't stop hitting it until they made sure it was completley destroyed with people inside of it shattered to pieces.

4: If Israel really wants peace in the Middle East, they need to do the following:

1:withdraw for all Palestinian occupied land and evacutate all jewish seatlments.

2:Engage Hamas with talks and not the PLO because the PLO has been talking with Israel for sometime now and that produced nothing for the Palestinians. They are still under seige in the West Bank and are still getting killed daily by the IDF troops.

3:Last but not least, Israel needs to understand that by continuing its agression on Palestinians more and more generations of hattred is going to be born not only in Palestine but also in the Arab/Muslim world which will eventually turn more and more states in the reigon into IRAN.

I hope that CNN can start focusing more on the fact that hospitals in GAZA are in a horrible condition due to medical supply shortages and power outages. With Egypt and Israel sealing the boarder to Gaza and barley anything going through its really really sad to see innocent people just laying there not being treated awaiting their faith.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2352 GMT

Nona .

you must be one of these settler terrorists are you living in one of the Palestinian homes?

CubFan   January 4th, 2009 2356 GMT

Solomon

If I lived in Gaza and supported Hamas and its unwarranted missile attack on the people of Israel I would be willing to sacrifice all of my daughters so I do not shed one tear on their behalf. I have travelled to Tel Aviv many times and not once did I come across a single Jew, Arab or Christian living in Israel would did not want peace and for them and their Palestinian neighbors. The problem as I see it is Hamas and the leaders of Iran are total Morons and are using the Palestinian people as fools for their own political purposes.

Solomon   January 4th, 2009 2357 GMT

Shari.

I am sure if the Americans see the pictures people see in the Middle east about Israeli crimes they will act differently. some time I laughed when they talk about freedom of the press in the west .

JOSHUA   January 4th, 2009 2358 GMT

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HUMANITY? HOW COULD WE SIT IDLY BY AND SEE INNOCENT CHILDREN AND MOTHERS DIE DAY AFTER DAY. PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, WE NEED TO SPEAK IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY, TO STOP THE KILLING. I AM NOT TAKING ANY SIDE. I AM ONLY SPEAKING AS A HUMAN BEGIN THAT HAS CHILDREN, MY HEART RIPS EVERY TIME I HEAR OR SEE IMAGES OF AN INNOCENT CHILD OR BYSTANDERS DEATH. THERE SHOULD BE SOME INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE, NO MATTER WHERE SIMILAR ACTION IS TAKEN. THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN EVER CHANGE THE WORLD IS FOR US TO RECLAIM THE WORLD IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY.
HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO SANITIZE OUR LIVES AND IGNORE THE PLIGHT OF OUR FELLOW HUMANS.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 002 GMT

nona,

the UN calls for a two state solutions, do you see any connection....

Its only you have a personnel interest ? or this is your honest opinion ? and open for you to hear other opinions?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 002 GMT

Good for you Clubfan.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 002 GMT

Nona,

its funny how Israel only mentions the U.N for its own advantage. The same U.N your talking about demanded Israel to stop its nuclear program. It was also the same U.N that told Israel to withdraw from all Palestinian terretories and shut down all seatlements. Look where we are today. Israel continues to produce nuclear bombs and the building of seatlments has not stopped. As a matter of fact, it has increased. Israel doesn't want peace. Israel wants destruction to all Arab/Muslim nations. So don't talk about the U.N because the U.franky means nothing to Israel. As long as the U.S is in power so will Israel. It's sad that the U.S spoke out against the Russia/Georgia conflict which is similar to what were seeing today with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict but when it came down to Palestine they kept silent and backed Israel. Nothing new about this.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 002 GMT

CubFan.
they are as morons as the Americans who were fighting the British for their freedom,as one poster said.
no it is not Hamas that is the problem it is occupation this is the problem.

Almog   January 5th, 2009 004 GMT

Why u dont show videos from the last 7 years? when Hamas launch missiles into civilian population? what do think israel should do? to launch missiles and Kasam into Gaza? Israel withdraw from Gaza, and still Hamas was fired. Hamas "warriors" are hidding behind childrens. they shooting from schools and mosques. so the responsibility of dead childrens is on Hamas. what will USA will do if someone will shoot into Chicgo? so please stop to be so pro-Palestinian. stop to show only the enemy side pictures. please show some pictures from Sderot, Be'er-Sheva,Ashdod....

Linda   January 5th, 2009 004 GMT

mahmoud jboor,
I agree, if you want to be fair you have to report from Gaza, but you also have to report from Israel. I would like to have the story from both sides.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 008 GMT

We all like to see the story from both sides. However, Isreal continues to block reporters from entering Gaza because they don't want to unveal the humanitarian chaos and there way of targeting innocent people.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 008 GMT

dominique and American Jew,

Well it is inspiring that I see people who are like me. We should not condone what Israel is doing. I just wonder how you can target a Hamas operative with 1.5 ton bomb.
Extremism Breeds Extremism
Violence cycle should be stopped.
Look at this it is very graphic. Make sure no kids are around cause it will traumatize them.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 010 GMT

CubFan
. I am sorry to say you are an Ignorant person that should be posting on a kkk site not here.

Sherif   January 5th, 2009 011 GMT

What people don't realize is that there still is an occupation in Palestinian territories.
Israel removed it's soldiers from inside Gaza, and replaced them with walls, and total control over airspace as well as land and sea crossings.
What do you call that? Coming over for tea? I call it occupation. As long as the occupation continues, there will be Hamas, and whatever comes after Hamas, and whatever comes after that.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 012 GMT

CubFan: your attitude shows exactly the sort of thing Israel is doing to Palestine right now. You know that Israel is wrong about what its doing and you have no words to defend your position and the only thing you can do is attack the Muslim Faith. So sad how low one can get.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 013 GMT

Solomon
If you feel so strongly about the Palestinians there is nothing stopping you from getting on a plane, sneaking into Gaza and eating an Israeli smart bomb designated to feed Hamas.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 013 GMT

Rod,
I don't think either side was concerned about making sure that children were not around to see the violence. But you are right, we should not condone EITHER side. We should all push for peace in all of the Middle East, not try to fight about who belongs where, and who deserves to live and who doesn't.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 014 GMT

CubFan,

You already dead at least by soul, and are still a lost sheep, really Moses wasted his time .

Linda   January 5th, 2009 014 GMT

Wow, it's nasty here. Isn't all of this nastyness the problem. Can't we be more tolerable?

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 017 GMT

Bloomberg is the Man! He is the only leader is the US who is not afraid to speak the truth and condemn Hamas and their cowardly moronic leadership. The US needs more leaders like Bloomberg. Too bad he did not run for President, he is the change the Middle East has been waiting for.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 018 GMT

CubFan seems to think he's above the law. hmm, I wonder who that reminds me of. CubFan, this Blog is desinged for intellegent people that can actually speak words and express there thoughts. Sad to say but you don't belong here.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 018 GMT

ClubFan,
Are you from NY?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 020 GMT

CubFan
is that you or some one you know?

mike gaumont   January 5th, 2009 021 GMT

Nona, You are right on!!! I could not have said it as eloquently. Let them reap what they have sowed. Religion and passion are a scary mix. I think Isreal should show its true force and leave their compassion at the border. Make Glass of the whole area and then see if dumb-hass wants to acknowledge them, throw stones or missles. Again I think its time to level the playing feilds and stop allowing these physchos, fanatics to continue bringing up little terrorists .

January 4th, 2009 2312 GMT

6,000 rockets fired on its cities and Israel is the aggessor? Give me a break.

Questions for Hamas:

Instead of using tunnels to smuggle in weapons, why don’t you use them to “smuggle” in food and medical supplies?

Instead of building terrorist training camps, why don’t you build power plants and commerical farms?

Instead of encouraging your children to aspire to be suicide bombers, why don’t you encourage them to be doctors and teachers and businesspeople.

Oh, right … because none of those things would contribute to the destruction of Israel and then you’d have to live in peace with your neighbors.

Cry me a river.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 021 GMT

Actually Bloomberg is a Jew and is looking forward to 2012 to be elected perhaps as the Governor or NY or perhaps the White house. We all know that withouth a strong jewish background you can't become anything in N.Y.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 022 GMT

Linda,
I just wonder how others make a different argument from yours really. I just cannot understand someone saying that what is happening is right!!
Is killing people right?
I need people to think. they keep saying who started what. We all know the roots of the problem and we know how a just solution can be achieved.

Hope peace prevails.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 024 GMT

Linda,

I have seen far worse, it deteriorates as one gets to blog 200.

“Sticks and stones (guns and bombs) break bones (maim and kill) but don’t let names (words) hurt you”

My suggestion...stick to the issues and ignore the insults, name calling and condescension.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 024 GMT

mike gaumont,
Those have been my questions all along, and no one has given me an answer.
Isn't the problem in Gaza, Hamas? Hamas is killing the people of Gaza.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 024 GMT

Hamas has unleashed the forth Horseman of the Apocalypse upon the people of Gaza.
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
When will the Palestinian people take matters into their own hands and crucify the real enemy, Hamas before all is lost.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 025 GMT

I meant that note for Rod, but everyone should take this to heart

Linda   January 5th, 2009 025 GMT

My suggestion…stick to the issues and ignore the insults, name calling and condescension.

I agree!

Shouldn't we all be trying to lean from one another an tolerance? Wouldn't that help and keep these situations from continuing?

Mohammad   January 5th, 2009 026 GMT

Nona

From the views that I read from your comment I think that you hate muslims like lot of jews and evanjelical christians who are taught in churches to hate muslims. But if think killing innocent muslims is a holy war then there are 1.3 billion muslims in the world. They will give you a war which will go for thousand years.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 028 GMT

Linda/Mike,

The Palestinians have been talking to Israel. Look whats happening in the West Bank. Abu Mazen wasted 3 years of talking to Israelies which produced nothing but more occupation, more check points, and more killings. Israel is not worried that Hamas rockets can reach 1million of its citizens. Israel is worried because Hamas rockets can reach the nuclear plant. That is the big concern. Come on people wake up.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 028 GMT

thanks Rod.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 029 GMT

CubFan

maybe you should see this are you one of them?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 030 GMT

Mohammad
Hamas and Iran have used the Muslim faith to turn good people into idiotic suicide bombers for Political and economic gain. The Muslim people must decide where they stand, for righteousness and freedom or death and submission to real evil. If they choose death I am certain the west can accommodate them.

mahmoud jboor   January 5th, 2009 031 GMT

ri gt now CNN is interviewing israili diplomate for the second time !! as for the hosp. in gaza its working depending on jenerators (elctric) and within hours its going to last ......strange i did not see in my life no possiblity for evacuting or dealing with dead &injuries....god help innocent gazaans....shammme on israel.....

Linda   January 5th, 2009 032 GMT

Mohammad N.
I don't get your point. and the Palestinians may have been talking to Israel, but Hamas has not been talking to Israel. Hamas has been feeding hatred and stockpiling weapons to launch into their neighbors countries. Maybe they will try and launch them into Egypt next, who knows.
I think all of us here distinguish between the Palestinian people and Hamas. Big Difference!

Linda   January 5th, 2009 034 GMT

mahmoud jboor,
I was medivac, and we didn't even have generators. War does not give you the comforts of home.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 035 GMT

Hamas is all talk, they promised to turn Gaza into a cemetery for Israel soldiers and within 24 hours they have given up all of the northern border, let the IDF encircle Gaza and cried like babies to the liberal media that they are getting their butts kicked sideways even though they outnumber the IDF 3 to 1.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 036 GMT

Hamas is the Palestinian people. We don't need leaders like Abu Mazen and Mubarak. We need leaders that can stand and defend our Land. The land that was stolen from us. All the Arab leaders through out the region are good for nothing. I hope Israel kills all of them.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 039 GMT

Cuban. If you really want to see who's butt is getting killed tell your terrorist government to allow reportes into Gaza. The IDF is still scattered around the city and have not yet entered the parts that Hamas is really in conrol of.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 039 GMT

Hamas is not the Palestinian people. If you would read other blogs on this subject, you will see former Gazans that have gotten out and what the have to say.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 039 GMT

Mohammad
I hope for your and the sake of the Palestinian people that they are not the same as Hamas because by the looks for the way things are going in Gaza all of Hamas will be dead by morning.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 040 GMT

mike gaumont,

This is what you said:

"why don’t you encourage them to be doctors and teachers and businesspeople."

Here is a comment posted at this very page.

"plenty of Hamas leaders are doctors. Hippocratic oaths mean nothing to them"

What do you want us to do, our doctors are termed terrorist. ? so you think this is fair .... then go and call doctors and refuse our children admissions to Medical school ....

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 041 GMT

Linda,

I also read other blogs as well and you should hear what jews also say and think of israel. I was in a protest today which had more jews
then Palestinians all for the cause of Palestine.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 043 GMT

Israel is a free Democracy there is no way they could hide casualties from their people. Hamas on the other hand is terrorist organization who is at this very hour being torn to shreds by the IDF. I just hope all of Hamas was able to get life insurance before the IDF unleashed the gates of hell upon them.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 043 GMT

The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with "Terror". It has nothing to do with the long-term "security" of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up "war" – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn't want one of the Empire's obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land

Jennifer Loewenstein is the Associate Director of the Middle East Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison

Linda   January 5th, 2009 045 GMT

Hunk,
I think the problem is that too many people are making blanket statements. Although I understand the emotional distress behind it, we should all take a deep breath and look at it from a Human perspective.
All of the Doctors in Gaza are not part of Hamas. but plenty of Hamas leaders are highly educated. We need to learn to distinquish to between the too.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 047 GMT

3 to 1.

somebody needs to have some sense here .... they will be run by Morning .... have you finished the job on Afghanistan after 7 years ? when Talaban armed with donkeys. .

Linda   January 5th, 2009 048 GMT

Mohammad N.,
I know that all Jewish people are not standing behind Israel. I was just saying that we should listen to the people that are there, or have been there and lived that life, not just take someone's word for it.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 050 GMT

Linda,

I prefer to be in the hole than listen to your two days of bullshit and lies......

Get over it ..... whats the color of your hair .... no wonder no brain.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 050 GMT

For all who support Isreal: Tell me why after 3 years of talking with the PLO in the West Bank Isreal still refuses to stop occupation and still kills innocent people. Israel has proven that talkig to one another isn't a solution but a sign of surrender. Israel with all its sophisticated weapons still kills innocent people. Hamas with only rockets manged to inflict very little damag to civilian population and today they hit a big command center north of Gaza.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 051 GMT

Mohammad
I did not know the United States was a terrorist nation. How long can Hamas hold out in Gaza city with an impenetrable perimeter set up by the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen. The IDF is the only military that is capable of surgically destroying a cowardly enemy in an urban environment. No other nation will ever be able to fight a war without being held up to the IDF standards their technology is the best in the world.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 052 GMT

Linda
Who are you crapping? All of Israel is behind the IDF.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 052 GMT

Wow Hunk,
You really have some anger issues there.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 053 GMT

yeah right. We've seen what happend to them in Lebanon. They got there butts kicked big time.

mahmoud jboor   January 5th, 2009 053 GMT

. cheney giving excuse to israeies crime " they are going after extemests..terrorists ..is he going to keep say ing this shitt ....like his master who came lately regreting attacking iraq b/c of fals intteigence reports......god help you people working inttelgence !!!!!!!!

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 054 GMT

Even the U.S, israels best frind says the IDF got its butt kicked in Lebanon and the same will happen again in Gaza

Linda   January 5th, 2009 054 GMT

Clubfan,
I'm sorry, but I have some Jewish friends, and they are not very happy. The only thing I can say is: none of us are there. We are not in Israel right now, and we are not in Gaza, so maybe we should listen to one another and try to come to some type of solution, instead of attacking one another.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 056 GMT

Linda,

the only solution is for israel to stop occupying Palestinian terretories. This is the only way we can ever acheive peace.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 057 GMT

Former Sephardi chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu.

Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

According to Jewish war ethics, wrote Eliyahu, an entire city holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of individuals. In Gaza, the entire populace is responsible because they do nothing to stop the firing of Kassam rockets.

"If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

In the letter, Eliyahu quoted from Psalms. "I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them."

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 058 GMT

The IDF only attacked with a measly 8,000 troops. Hamas has been bragging for weeks that they have 24,000 cowardly fighters who need to follow the yellow brick road and see the wizard for some courage. Hamas is a bunch of cowards who hide behind women, children, mosques and hospitals, who only crawl out of their holes to launch missiles at innocent women and children. When will Hamas act like men and fight on the battle field at least I could respect them then. Cowards! 3 to 1 and still cowards

clay   January 5th, 2009 059 GMT

Death and Injury. I hate to see such horrific pictures in war. Yet, it is still war. I don't understand how a politic group who has been voted into power by their people would bring this sort of carnage to those that voted for them. The Palestinians understood the position that Hamas took against the Isreali people. What in the name of GOD would make you think that Israel would not hit your country. I Blame the parents of the children that voted these idiots into power. If they want the attacks on GAZA to end turn over the terrorists and next time elect leaders not murders. I believe these people elected those that they wanted to lead them to victory over Israel. Palestinians give lip service like most people I have met in the middle east they don't want peace they want Isreal to REST IN PEACE. I just want the US and the international community to stay out of it.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 059 GMT

Linda
Your Jewish friends want to lose? Not!

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 059 GMT

Solomon. This is what the media is hiding from people in the U.S. The true color of israelies.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 100 GMT

Mohammad N.,
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Israel is not going anywhere. So can't we move on and find a solution.
Just like the United States and the Native Americans. And before you say a word, my father is 1/2 Native American (blackfoot). If I lived in the past, I would say that the Native Americans were here first, so everyone else is occupiers in the United States. Then does that give every Native American the right to go and kill everyone. No, we have moved on! This is the way it is and we have to move on to prosper. Hate will not get us anywhere.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 100 GMT

I guess electing an Islamic terrorist government has a downside, huh? Plus, the Hamas cowards dressing up as nurses and doctors at the Shifa hospital can't be helping, especially when they are performing surgery...

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 101 GMT

Perhaps the U.S should supply Hamas with F15 and tanks with uniforms so they can have a fair fight.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 102 GMT

No Clubfan,
I did not say they want to lose. I said they are not happy. They are not happy about the rockets from Hamas, and they are not happy about their country being at war. Some people in this world are not happy with either side.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 104 GMT

George Washington led America to freedom by fighting on the battle field like a man against overwhelming odds. Hamas fights like little girls, girls are braver than Hamas. I am sorry little girls.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 104 GMT

Mohammad N.,
Hamas knew what they were getting into before they fired the rockets into Israel. But lets not kid ourselves, they wanted to "hit and run" and some one else come in a save them. They over estimated their importance in the world.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 106 GMT

Mohammad N. – A fair fight with cowards who target innocent civilians, both Israeli and Arab? A fair fight with cowards who launch attacks from schools and crowded civilian neighborhoods? A fair fight with cowards who hide themselves, weapons, and ammunition in mosques? A fair fight with cowards who dress up as doctors and nurses in the hospital? You are asking for a fair fight with cockroaches.

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 106 GMT

I see that the CNN moderators are non-existent. I thought that the comments would be restricted to the deplorable medical conditions in Gaza. Instead, I find the same frequent fliers posting their hatred on all the CNN Gaza/Middle East stories.

Shame! Chew on this one for a while. If we (Muslim, Jew, Christian) all believe in the same supreme being and are created in his image, would one not assume that we are all related? And instead of murdering our family, should we not be helping, no matter what side of the fence the brother/sister/cousin lives?

Peace.

nona   January 5th, 2009 107 GMT

Mohammad N asks:

"For all who support Isreal: Tell me why after 3 years of talking with the PLO in the West Bank Isreal still refuses to stop occupation and still kills innocent people."

Um, because Palestinian suicide bombers keep detonating themselves in Israeli shopping malls and restaurants and hotels and buses and raining rockets on Israeli cities. Why? Because Hamas defines the existence of Israel as "occupation" and nothing less than Israel's destruction will satisfy Hamas that the "occupation" is ended.

Notice how West Bank isn't launching rocket attacks on Israel, and how it also isn't under siege? See if you can make the connection.

Now I ask you, Mohammad: In your opinion, does Israel have the right to exist?

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 108 GMT

You will always have a bunch of hippi's wanting love not war, but the United States, Canada, Israel, all these Countries would'nt be were they are today without war. These are all the things they pound into our heads in history classes. Peace is nice, sure, but it seems as if in our history we have had to fight for that peace, it does'nt come through tea and crumpets being shared. You think peace talks with Osama would've done anything before 9/11. There is an agenda for all terrorists organizations, those in power and those not, and that is too bring forth terror on it's "enemies". Hamas is doing just that, and they won't stop fighting or launching rockets because this goes deeper than a blocked of border.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 108 GMT

I have to disagree with you Linda. abviously your only watching media from coutries that suppport israel. You said that there is 2 sides to everything. Take a moment and listen to me. Its true that Hamas fired rockets into israel which didn't help the situation but you need to understand why the did it. israel has been sealing the boarder to Gaza since it left the occupation. Under the the truce that they had going the still targeted innocent people in Gaza.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 108 GMT

Linda
I am very happy that finally someone has the balls to fight against terrorist and is willing to stand up to cowardly liberal left in the media and the world. If I was running the IDF I would have carpet bombed them into submission, they should thank Allah the Israeli people have a good heart.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 109 GMT

Well said Jim P.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 113 GMT

Jim P. What prove do you have that everything you said is true? This is all coming from the IDF which we know continues to lie about alot of other things. This reminds of the time with Bush insisted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and then turned out to be wrong intelligence. You need to understand that not everything that the U.S media and IDF reports is true. God created us with brains so we can think and make sense of what is happening around us.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 113 GMT

this was just on the news.
a doctor said that he got a warning to evacuate the patients and leave the private hospital because it is going to be targeted by the Israeli army the doctor said that he called the red cross to tell them that .the red cross told him that they received a warning too to leave their building.this doctor said I can not do that because I have 35 doctors and over a hundred patient some of them are old. we might see another massacre in a hospital soon.
this is whyIsrael does not want Journalists in Gaza.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 114 GMT

Ya Mohammad, she is like a snick changing skin, wait and see as we progress ...

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 115 GMT

Mohammad
Why does it have to be a fair fight? How about an honorable one or better yet why doesn’t Hamas just admit they are idiots and let the Palestinians share a very fruitful and prosperous life with the Israelis, Arabs and Christians in Israel? I would like to make a full disclosure, in case you are not up to speed that I would personally like to see Hamas destroyed so I could invest in a Hotel on the Gaza strip.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 115 GMT

Give me 1 reason why the IDF is targeting ambulances heading the opposite direcetion of where they are going to a hospital taking injured innocent people?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 116 GMT

I know you disagree with me Mohammad N., and thank you for responding to me respectfully. But I do not only watch media that is pro Israel. I travel, learn the countries and cultures myself, I have 4 Bachelor of Science Degrees, and I try to educate myself every day. I'm no fool.
And I do know that Israel sealed the boarder to Gaza, and so did Egypt. but let's be real here, this did not just start 9 days ago. This did not start with the first rocket lobbed into Israel after a period of peace, This started hundreds of years ago, and digging your heals in, no matter what you believe, and not compromising, and not try to learn from the mistakes of the past, and creating havoc is not the answer. Where has that gotten anyone?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 117 GMT

CubFan. I know that this what thats all about. You just want israel to take over Gaza so you can claim a peace of land and build a hotel on it. its all about money with you.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 118 GMT

Lynne – We do NOT all believe in the same supreme being. This is another lie the Muslims want you to believe. The idiot Muslims worship allah, the war and moon god. They are dedicated to the death of all infidels and the spead of their cancer (Islam) by the sword (terrorism). If you don't believe me, read the evil Quran (the terrorist handbook). Their mood/war god was one of hundreds of deities worshipped by the ancient religion of Sabianism, where the pedophile prophet got a lot of his ideas. Mohammed was a terrorist, a thief, a rapist, a liar, a pedophile, and a murderer. He invented Islam as a way to get some religious cover for his many, many crimes. Muslims today are just following in his footsteps.

Please, do some research before making such blanket statements. We worship a God of righteousness and good. The Muslims worship a deity of war, death, and destruction. Look at them celebrate when there are large numbers of casualties, such as the Muslim bombings of the World Trade Center. Look at them celebrate when child killers are released from prison. They worship evil and celebrate when evil makes strides over good. We worship the opposite.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 120 GMT

Mohammad,
Come on my little terrorist friend, nobody in their right mind would ever believe the IDF would be stupid enough to attack a Hospital. There are so many Palestinian snitches in Gaza that want Hamas dead that Israel can let the cowards hide in hospitals, it is there last safe haven. Hamas the bell tolls for you.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 121 GMT

Nick-Canada,

Chanda has the highest number of peace forces around the world, PEACE forces .... Are you endorsing the same policies that is bringing the world financially to its knees.

War is ugly and the issue here at hand is people dying ... and civilians trapped in between ... stopping the blood bath is urgent. please have a look at the picture above .... at here .. she is a kid ... for god name.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 122 GMT

Linda,

You're right. Fighting has not gotten us anywhere. I would like to see a 2 state solution living side by side. Is israel ready to withdraw from all of the Palestinian land and get rid of all of its checkpoints? The reason I ask is because if israel does what I mentioned above and Hamas continues to fire rockets into israel then We the Palestinians will turn Gaza into a grave yard for Hamas. But we dont see Isreal taking the oppropriate steps to initiate the peace process and that's why we contiue to have fighting.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 122 GMT

Mohammad,
you wrote:
Give me 1 reason why the IDF is targeting ambulances heading the opposite direcetion of where they are going to a hospital taking injured innocent people?
How do we know this is true? The media also reported that Ambulances were stocked with Hamas' weapons. How do we know that is true either? I think we need to be careful of what kool aid we drink.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 123 GMT

Mohammad N. – I doubt Israel is targeting ambulances, but Islamic terrorist cowards do use them to transfer terrorists and weapons. Hamas cowards do not care about the Fakestinian people, but Israel shows it does.

CubFan   January 5th, 2009 124 GMT

Mohammad,
I would like nothing better than to invest in a peaceful Gaza as would the rest of the free world. I would mean jobs, peace and high standard of living for all Palestinians. Hamas is terrified of this.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 127 GMT

I think we have continued fighting from both sides Mohammad N.
If both sides sends reasonable people to the table, maybe with Egypt as a moderator, just maybe we can make some progress. I don't know if Israel is ready to do the things you have mentioned. and I don't know if Hamas is ready. So the question is, what can the world community do to convince them that it is time?

Nona   January 5th, 2009 128 GMT

Give me a break. American media at least isn't owned and run by the government.

Tell me how al-jazeera and alarabiya and the state-owned broadcasters and newspaper of Saudi Arabia and Syria and Iran and Pakistan and other Arab countries are showing "both sides of the story." Western media may not be perfect, but it's is being a heck of a lot more objective than the broadcasts of stations owned by governments with their own political agendas.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 128 GMT

Jim P/Cuban,

both of you seem to speak alot of freedom of speach. I am just making my point just like you are. Your media reports innocent israelies being killed by Hamas rockets and our media reports innocents people being targeted for the IDF. And CubFan, as for the hotel in Gaza. I would be happy to see peace in there to a certain degree where jews can invest money there.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 129 GMT

Land for peace is dead. Israel gave Gaza to the Fakestinians and what did they do to it? They turned it into a sewer and a terrorist enclave. Israel should treat the Fakestinians like all the other Arab countries do. Either kill them, deport them, or put them in well guarded camps. They have proven that they can not behave as human beings. Perhaps in 20 – 30 generations, they might evolve into people. Until then, they need to be separated from humans.

Can you imagine a Fakestinian state? You'd be able to see the flames from space.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 130 GMT

Nona,

how are you seeing to sides of the media if the IDF is now allowing reporters into Gaza?

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 131 GMT

You got to look back to days before President Washington for example, without war America would not be what it is today , if you don't want too read a book simply watch The Patriot, These countries did not come about over peace talks!

clay   January 5th, 2009 134 GMT

Mohammad N. I would close off the board too. if I had civilian terrorists walking around trying to kill my people. Maybe, the Palestinian people should have picked better leaders, brother.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 135 GMT

Nick, point taking. I think we all agree that talking and fighting hasn't produced much at all. We saw that in Lebanon in 2006 and we will see it again in the coming days. Perhaps israel should nuke the entire middle east and start fresh again from scratch. Will that solve the problem?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 137 GMT

Clay, we are talking about the IDF blocking the media from Gaza.

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 137 GMT

Jim P,

I believe that you are the one who is misinformed. Please do your research, or at least read the Qu'ran several times thoughtfully, and leave your biases at the door. A visit to your local iman (not the fundamentalist spewing hate for all people) also might be beneficial. A wise person will seek answers in all options. You will find that, as in all books, words are subject to interpretation by the reader. I found no reference to a war/moon god; in fact none of the imans I have talked with any of my Muslim friends have mentioned this phenomenon, although Abraham, Elijah, and Jesus have been mentioned frequently. The gods you mention ares ancient greek, roman, celtic, assyrian, maya, aztec, norse, etc.

I have lived too doggone long. I'm old, tired, and have little tolerance for intolerance.

And I will remain on topic, which is what to do about medical conditions. Do you think that medical facilities are legitimate "targets" , no matter who is there, without any concern for sick/injured people that may not be able to be relocated? And where would they be relocated? Having transported patients from an old medical facility to a new one, you cannot do this in a few hours, not to mention a few minutes.

clay   January 5th, 2009 139 GMT

Mohammad N., I would not as a military leader allow for reporters to give away my position on the ground that would be STUPID. If Hamas just wants to show carnage let them.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 140 GMT

The IDF isn't allowing reporters into Gaza for at least two reasons. First, during the Lebanon conflict, Muslims media gathered military intelligence and gave it to Hizbullah. Muslims can not be trusted. Secondly, the Muslim media doesn't report the truth. They are complicit with terrorists faking civilian casualties to inflame world opinion. Muslims seem to be biologically incapable of telling the truth. Rather than fight the Muslim lies, the Israelis are minimizing them by denying access. Also, the Hamas cowards would probably kidnap or kill them if they did not report only what Hamas wanted them to report.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 140 GMT

Mohammad N.,
If I had to guess, I would say they are blocking the media for tactical reasons. I was military, I know what I am talking about, and a lot of terrorists watch the television and get their information. This could tip them off to a tactical position etc.
also, I do not think that the Israeli army wants any reporters to get caught in the cross fire. That is my opinion.

clay   January 5th, 2009 141 GMT

Mohammad N. Sorry, dude. I came in late on the discussion and was responding to a comment you made earlier.

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 144 GMT

All I know is if someone starts luanching rockets into my free country, show me were too sign up. I don't know one person here or in the states that would'nt do the same. Sure we all have hippi's and I'm for peace, and we probably have a citizen here that is from the attacking country wanting a peaceful solution, but if my family is in shere danger of a relentless terrorist organization and deadly rockets i'll fight for peace. These peace keeping troops of ours I imagine are armed with water pistols too right? And tanks that blast out candy for the children?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 146 GMT

The reporters are willing to go into Gaza at their own risk. Atleast that's what CNN, MSNBC, and Fox news have reported. Everyone in Gaza already knows where the IDF army is. They dont need the media to tell them that. We are talking about Gaza here. Its only 30 miles in length.

clay   January 5th, 2009 146 GMT

I'm signing off. I will let the Israelis and terrorist fight it out for now.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 148 GMT

HI Nick-Canada,
glad to hear you are in the U.S. I assumed you were in Canada, shame on me for assuming.
I agree, I will protect my family and freedom at any cost, and living on a border state, I feel some of the tension every day. And as much as I like peace for everyone, I would not be thinking of peace at the time. I think we would all be guilty of that.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 149 GMT

I see you all justifying killing even of Civilians for making a statement ... the only one i see here talking of saving life is Mohammad.

O N E F O R L I F E A N D M A N Y F O R D E A TH

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 151 GMT

Jim P. How do you expect to acheive peace when all that comes out of your mouth is racist remarks about Islam? Do you see anyone here attacking your faith? there is no need for this type of language.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 151 GMT

Mohammad N.,
30 miles can be a lot of space when you are in a war. And I am sure that the Israeli Army is carrying out some missions that Hamas doesn't know about, at least yet.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 157 GMT

Nick-Canada,

I am for peace, at the same time talking of people attacking your country ... of course ... you will fight ...

I asked you about civilians and the little girl photo above ... and ending of the blood bath ... this what i said ...

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 158 GMT

Lynne -

Sa´bi`an`ism
n. 1. The doctrine of the Sabians; the Sabian religion; that species of idolatry which consists in worshiping the sun, moon, and stars; heliolatry.

- the religious system of the Sabians, a group, according to the Koran, entitled to Muslim religious toleration

- This was one of the very archaic religions of the human race, found all over the globe in various forms; and in its origins Sabianism was undoubtedly an outpouring of occult teaching from the archaic Mysteries.

I guess you need to do some more research. And, by the way, the evil leaders of this cult are imams, not imans.

Allah was one of a number of pagan gods worshiped in Mecca by the Meccan religion of Sabianism. In fact, he was one of more than 360 pagan gods worshiped by the Meccans. Allah's original Arabic name was Ali Allah but the Ali was dropped before Muhammad was born. Allah was the Meccan Moon and War god which is still recognize in Islam by the symbol of Allah, the crescent moon being place on all Muslim mosques and almost all the national flags of Islamic countries.

The proof that Allah was also the Meccan war god is in a battle cry you commonly hear from Muslims today. If you pay attention on the news, you will regularly hear Muslims proudly say that Allah is the god of the sword. This is because they know that Allah was the war god of the Meccans and is still a war god today, therefore, he is the god of the sword. Allah is not a god of piece or love and you will not find the word love written even one time in the Koran. The primary mandate of the Koran is to conquer the world and kill off all non-Muslims. As a matter of fact, Mohammad commands Muslims that, after they have conquered any people, they are required to put the sword to their neck and say, "Convert or die" with the understanding that if you don't convert on the spot, they are required to cut your head off.

Back to the topic, I think it is just another atrocity that the Islamic terrorist cowards use ambulances and hospitals to hide themselves, weapons and ammunition. The IDF will need to go into the hospitals to clear them of Islamic terrorist filth. If civilians get killed, it is the fault of the Islamic terrorists.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 159 GMT

Linda,

I think were losing focus on what this argument is about. Right now the majority of innocent civilians in Gaza are being bombed and targeted by the IDF. I will let the pictures speak for them selves. We saw this happen in Lebanon where israel tried to dismantal Hizbullah once and for all but was not successfull. Matter of fact, Hizbullah is much stronger now and grew much stronger in peoples eyes. How is what israel doing going to resolve anything?

Nona   January 5th, 2009 203 GMT

Mohammad –

Come on - It's a war zone. Civilians aren't allowed into war zones, and journalists are civilians. Journalists do not have any rights that ordinary civilians don't have, although sometimes they are granted additional privileges. Media weren't allowed on to the World Trade Center site either, or those of any other disaster, until their safety can be secured. There is nothing sinister about this. It's standard procedure for media in civilized countries that try to minimize casualties.

You also wrote: "You’re right. Fighting has not gotten us anywhere. I would like to see a 2 state solution living side by side. Is israel ready to withdraw from all of the Palestinian land and get rid of all of its checkpoints?" Can you define "Palestinian land?" Because you are giving me reason to hope. Would Hamas and the Palestinian state be willing to guarrantee no terrorist attacks, rockets or suicide bombers into Israeli territory? If so, you probably have a deal.

You add: "The reason I ask is because if israel does what I mentioned above and Hamas continues to fire rockets into israel then We the Palestinians will turn Gaza into a grave yard for Hamas." I think that's what happened when Israel handed over Gaza. Except for the part about the Palestinians turning Gaza into a graveyard for Hamas. Thus, our situation today.

And finally, I asked you earlier and did not get a response: do you believe Israel has the right to exist?

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 204 GMT

Please understand that Islam prohibit making Mockery or attack of any prophet ... so no matter how much ill speak.... is Islam believe all are brothers that came with the same massage .

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 204 GMT

Mohammad N. – Islam is not a race. It is more like a death worshiping cult. As a great leader once said, "It is the content of your character, not the color of your skin."

I am not sorry to tell the world the truth about the religion of hate, lies, intolerance, and terrorism. It doesn't mean that all Muslims are bad people, just that they have been indoctrinated in an evil cult.

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 204 GMT

I am a Canadian who grew up in the States currently back in Canada, you can assume I know many Americans and Canadians, so I have love for both countries and would fight for both. I feel in many ways we are the same so when I speak, I speak for both sides.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 207 GMT

Mohammad N.,
I don't know how it will resolve anything, but I do know that the people on both sides of the boarder not do deserve to live in fear. And I do not believe for a minute that the majority of the innocent civilians in Gaza are being bombed and targeted by the IDF. I do think that the IDF are trying to be as precise as possible, otherwise, they would have wiped out the city of Gaza buy now.
But let me also say that the reports are that Hamas has lobbed several dozen rockets over the border into Israel today. I that going to resolve anything.
Any by the way, Hezbullah does not like Hamas either. They would be just as happy if Hamas was gone. and Hezubullah is not fighting Israel either, so they have peace between the two, at least for now.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 208 GMT

Jim P,

Islam is the fastest growing religion and it wont be long before your sons and their sons will convert to Islam.

Its a matter of Time nothing more ..

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 209 GMT

Jim P: Just because you read books it doesn't mean you can tell us Muslims what relegion is about. Read the Quran and you will find your answers. Allah in arabic translates to God in english. End of story. You can say all you like but your wasting your time. CNN didn't start this blog site so we can argue about relegions. Stop copying and pasting crap from google and get to the point. All I've been hearing from you is Islamic terrorists over and over again. If you really want to know who the terrorists are scroll all the way up and you'll find your answer.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 209 GMT

Cool, good to know you Nick-Canada

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 210 GMT

There is obviously no doubt that Israel is occupying Palestinian land.
The United Nations Security Council in Resolutions 446, 465 and 484,
among others, resolved that the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza
are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions
regarding occupied territories apply. In addition, the International Court
of Justice in its decision on the separation barrier, ruled that the West
Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem are occupied

Linda   January 5th, 2009 212 GMT

I don't think that the religion of Islam has anything to do with being a terrorist. Just because you are Islamic, does not make you a terrorist. Can we agree on that?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 215 GMT

Linda,

I don't know if Hezbullah hates Hamas or not but I wouldn't be suprised. You said that Hizbullah and israel are not fighting because of what israel did to Lebanon in 2006. I have to disagree with you. The fighting stopped because israel is no longer occupying parts of Lebanon and has not been crossing the boarder like it was doing in 2006 when Hezbullah captured their soldiers. thats why the fighting stopped. At the end of the day, Hizbullah claimed victory and is seening much more powerful now in the Arab world.

Shehnila   January 5th, 2009 215 GMT

A beast in human disguise. I condemn the Israel attacks on the innocent people of Gaza, may God protect them all.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 218 GMT

Mohammad N.,
I didn't say why Israel and Hezbullah are not fighting anymore, and I would be outside my realm of knowledge to assume, but they have peace for now. and Yes, Hezbullah did claim victory and is seen more powerful now. So doesn't power come with responsibility?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 219 GMT

Linda, there radicals in every relegion but to go around and label everyone that is Muslim as a terrorist is just plain wrong. A labled terrorist in israel is a freedom fighter in Palestine. They will always be viewed as freedom fighters in the Arab world until israel withdraws from all Palestinian land.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 221 GMT

Linda,

what responisibility do they have if israel refuses to recognize them?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 221 GMT

That was my point, Mohammad N. Labels and blankets statements are part of what fuels hate. I said that earlier.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 222 GMT

Mohammad N. – It is about time that someone tell Muslims what religion is about. It is not about killing, lies, death, and destruction. I read your evil Quran. It is an abomination. That seems to be all that Muslims know.

From the news and the blogs, it seems quite clear who the terrorists are. Of 167 known terrorist groups in the world, 163 are Islamic. What does that tell you about the religion of peace?

Hunk – There is absolutely no doubt that the occupiers are the Fakestinians. The Jews have been on that land VERIFIABLY for THOUSANDS of years, long before your pedophile prophet defiled little girls. The UN is an anti-semetic joke. Where were they when the Islamic terrorist cowards of Hamas were reigning thousands of rockets and mortars down on Israeli civilians? The UN is just trying to appease the barbaric Muslim hoardes to prevent more violence.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 222 GMT

Who are you speaking of Mohammad N.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 224 GMT

So Jim P., What is the solution?

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 225 GMT

Not all Muslims are terrorists but virtually all terrorists are Muslims.

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 226 GMT

Nothing is more sad than seeing a child in pain or one that is suffering. You can make me out to be an _ss hole but in the end I am still a Canadian, we were'nt raised to believe strapping bombs to ourselves and killing people was the ticket to salvation, Hamas Im sure would like this tought in there schools. I would never elect such an organization. They did, they should've thought of their children when electing these Groups. What was their (Hamas's) slogan that bought the peoples vote Like Obama's promise for "change" I wonder? What do you think would happen to Canada if we voted for Osama Bin-Laden for prime minister. The world would call us morons and not have any sympathy for the outcome of that bright move!

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 227 GMT

Jim P. I really feel sad for you and will keep you in my prayers. Your making jews look bad for talking like that. Your an embarrassment .

Linda   January 5th, 2009 229 GMT

I wonder too Nick. And I agree with what you said prior to that also. Fox is speaking of that right now.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 231 GMT

Linda, I don't know if your Jewish or an israeli. I am a Muslim and live in the U.S. I was born in Palestine. I gave you my thoughts earlier on what needs to be done in order to acheive peace. What do you propose? I would like to know your point of view.

thanks,

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 233 GMT

Mohammad,

The reason question are being showered like their melting pullets over the head of my brethren is to deviate you from the main question ? they want to believe or not is up to them, god don't brag people to recognize him ... keep on going ,,, you are doing great ....

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 235 GMT

Nick, what would you do if your mother, father, brother, and sister were all shot down by an israeli plane because they had no where to go and there home was blown up to pieces? wouldn't you grow up with hate towards that country and want to fight back?

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 240 GMT

The solution is to educate. Muslims need to stop teaching their children to hate. They need to stop teaching them that Jews are apes and pigs. They need to stop teaching them to not be friends with Christians and Jews and others who are not the right "kind" of Muslim. They need to start learning honor, truth, real history (not the made-up Muslim versions of history), science, math, and social responsibility.

I fear the current generation is gone – no hope. Their minds have been too poisoned with lies from corrupt and ignorant imams and mullahs. But if Muslims stop teaching hate, intolerance, and violence to their children, there might be hope for future generations. If they don't, the backlash that is starting now against Islam will just grow until all followers of Islam are isolated or killed.

I know it all sounds one sided, but I believe the Israelis, the Americans, the Christians, the Hindus, the Buddhists – virtually the whole world – genuinely want peace and can live in peace. It is the Muslims who don't want peace and have done everything in their power to avoid the possibility of peace. This is rooted in the basic tenets of Islam. This must be overcome in order for there to be peace.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 244 GMT

Mohammad N.- The fact that you think I'm a Jew speaks volumes about your Muslim hate and intolerance. I am not a Jew, but I thank you for the compliment.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 244 GMT

The list is for only Three years ... so for your self who is the the Jews terrorist

Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930's.
• April 20, 1936 – 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed
• March, 1937 – 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach
• November 14, 1937 – 6 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Jerusalem.
• April 12, 1938 – 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.
• April 17, 1938 – An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa
• May 17, 1938 – An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.
• May 24, 1938 – 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.
• June 23, 1938 – 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv.
• June 26, 1938 – 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.
• June 27, 1938 – An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
• July 5, 1938 – 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv.
• On the same day, 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.
• On the same day, an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.
• July 6 1938 – 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa.
• July 8, 1938 – 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.
• July 16, 1938 – 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
• July 25, 1938 – 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
• August 26, 1938 – 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.
• February 27, 1939 – 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.
• May 29, 1939 – 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.
• On the same day, 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.
• June 2, 1939 – 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem.
• June 12, 1939 – A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs.
• June 16, 1939 – 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.
• June 19, 1939 – 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.
• June 29, 1939 – 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period.
• June 30, 1939 – An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
• On the same day, 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.
• July 3, 1939 – An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
• July 4, 1939 – 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.
• July 20, 1939 – An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.
• On the same day, 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.
• On the same day, 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.
• August 27, 1939 – 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem

Linda   January 5th, 2009 246 GMT

Mohammad N., I am neither. I am American with a Native American parental family, and a Scottish and English maternal family.
So, what do I propose. I propose that first and foremost, if the media is going to report on this conflict, they need to show both sides. They need to interview people from both countries, or people that have fled and have first hand experience, so we can trust more of the news coverage.
Then I would require that both side stop firing at once! Let peace keepers into both regions, and let foreign aid cross the boarder from Egypt to help the people.
In no way shape or form do I think anyone should open their borders without constraints. Only women and children, wounded, and the very elderly. And have the Israeli Army pull back to the boarder. Then if Any firepower comes from anyone for either side, that is who the UN should condim and bring sanctions upon.
If it is Gaza, then Gaza continues to be isolated. If it is Israel, the international community can deal with them effectively.
I also believe that maybe Egypt should broker a deal and sit down with the leadership of both countries and find a workable solution. The Arab world should condim any attacks of any kind by it's people, and the Arab and Israeli governments should rebuild Gaza for the people of Gaza. We also need education for the Gazans, and help them with a new way of life. If we put a security peace force in Gaza, this could work,

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 247 GMT

Jim P,

you do know that 18% of Palestinians are christians and live side by side with muslims? did you know that there are Christian Palestenians that also live in Gaza? Did you know that a Christian girl with shot yesterday by the IDF for protesting? You seem to be making claims but none are true.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 247 GMT

Hala.

.are we alowd to answer this man that call himself Jim P in kind? if not then can you tell him to stop his rubbish on this blog..

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 250 GMT

I also believe that if my country were to be ran by a terrorist organization, our neighbors to the south would close all Canadian, American borders, no one in and no one out, due to the danger that would be ever so present. And every bloody right they would have to do so, I would at least hope so. Israel has all the right in the world to do all they are dong, I feel sorry for Israel and their people, they were attacked. Its like feeling sorry for the Nazi's, feeling sorry for Hamas

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 251 GMT

Nick-Canada,

I wanted you to see face, normally people are reported as numbers,

See now from point of view the current operation is storing up further attacks and is breeding a suicide bombers that will one day spread.

What you plant today will harvest tomorrow.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 252 GMT

Linda,

Well said. I hope all you said can be acheived so civilians are no longer killed.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 253 GMT

Nick-Canada – You are so right. The civilain population of Gaza elected an Islamic terrorist government whose hateful charter calls for the destruction of Israel. The people should be accountable for their choices. The Islamic terrorist cowards they elected hide behind women and children, trying to MAXIMIZE the number of civilian casualties. Dead and dying children are exactly what these Islamic terrorists want! They want more photo opportunities to get sympathy from people who are more emotional than logical. They want to maximize the suffering of the Fakestinian people in order to remain in power. Extremely sad, indeed.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 253 GMT

Mohammad N.
you wrote:
Nick, what would you do if your mother, father, brother, and sister were all shot down by an israeli plane because they had no where to go and there home was blown up to pieces? wouldn’t you grow up with hate towards that country and want to fight back?

I would like for you to rent a copy of a movie called "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee"
My Grandfathers family lived this and his sister was killed there. but I do not hate and I do not want all of those people dead. We have to rise above this. We have to look at what is in our best interest in the long run. We can't hold on to hate and bitterness, because we will only die alone and angry.
We have to forgive in order to move on. We can not change the past or what happened in past generations, we have to move on if we want a better world.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 257 GMT

Hunk – What does your list have to do with terrorism? Muslims die all the time, usually at the hands of other Muslims.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 300 GMT

Linda,

that is the reality on the ground. Civilians on both sides are losing loved ones and that is only fueling hate.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 300 GMT

Mohammad N. – The Fakestinian Christians have been targeted and killed by the Fekestinian Muslims, only because they are Christians. This has intensified since the Islamic terrorists of Hamas took charge violently in a coup.

Specifically, which of my claims are not true?

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 302 GMT

Solomon – Why don't you cry to the UN and ask for a cease-fire? Does the truth hurt you? If it does, maybe you should ask yourself why.

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 303 GMT

Linda,

Your solution does have merits.

However, there are a couple of problems. Firstly, the UN does not have any "teeth". The UN Security Council requires consensus of all permanent members for a binding resolution. With the US on the Security Council, I don't think a whole lot will be accomplished, as seen in the past couple of days. It only takes one veto to effectively quash a resolution.

Secondly, from past history, neither the Israelis or Palestinians have heeded any resolution. I think that the reason for this is that resolutions have not favored one side or another.

Thirdly, any peacekeeping force would must have concrete rules of engagement. If you remember Bosnia, the lack of the ability to fire back in protection of the civilian population made great propaganda for Serbian media at the expense of the Dutch peacekeepers.

Do you think that the problems can be overcome? I'm also curious why Israel is making the conditions of an international peacekeeping force now when they have been so vehemently opposed to it in the past when the Palestinians requested it.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 303 GMT

But we have to rise above the hate. People are dying on the ground, that is the cold hard truth of war, we have to do something to stop it now and prevent it later, don't you think?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 304 GMT

Jim p.

see the Jewish terrorist cowards and tell me who is hiding behind children.

and by the way stop your garbage language against Muslims and Islam .

Watch.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 305 GMT

Linda – "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee” Well said. This is exactly what the world needs to do.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 307 GMT

Solomon – Stop your garbage language supporting Muslims and terrorism.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 310 GMT

Lynne,
I don't have all of the answers and don't claim to, but you are right, The UN has no "TEETH" or Balls. So don't you think that would be a place to start? Doesn't the international community have a responsibility to require unbiased negotiations by the UN. The UN is not above us all, and their resolutions have no merit.
It is obvious that neither Israelis or Palestinians have heeded any resolution. So don't you think all of us are going about this all wrong. Maybe the international community needs to change their stratigy of the subject.
As far as your third point, I remember very well, I'm a Vet! So does that mean that we can not do things differently, instead of staying stuck in the past?

Nick-Canada   January 5th, 2009 310 GMT

No doubt I'd be angry, blood is thicker than water, We have all seen the movie Full Metal Jacket where the helicopter gunman is just mowing down innocent rice farmers, I know a vet from Nam who claims crimes like this did occur. We are human no matter what race we all have idiots amongst us, even the odd Israelis in this case, but again how were those Israelis supposed to know these guys were'nt terrorists, its not like they wear clothes to seperate themselves from the people. Unlike the distinct hats of a rice farmer. But there you go, we are all animals fighting the "good fight".

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 311 GMT

Hala.

I want to continue posting on this blog. but it looks like Ignorants started to post hate and Garbage on this site.

I am going to answer this JIM P in kind in one hour and I am ready to be booted out if you dont stop this poster this is not free speech it is hate.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 314 GMT

Can everyone take the High Road Please? Isn't this the problem, bashing one another. We can all see things different, but be tolerable and respectful.
That is how we start to stop the carnage!

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 315 GMT

Solomon,

the link you provided is only a fraction of what the IDF does to inoccent Palestinians. This is something you will never see on U.S news stations.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 319 GMT

Mohammad N. you may be right, So doesn't that mean that we all should take a breathe and step back and admit that we may not know the whole truth about either side and what is happening?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 324 GMT

Mohammad N..

Yes I know I provided few of them in the last few weeks. this link was an answer to some one who was lying about Human shield.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 324 GMT

yes its true. But we should also not be silenced when we see something like this. israel backed by the U.S thinks that it lives above the law.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 329 GMT

Solomon – It is not hate. The fact that it angers you does not make it hate. It also does not make it any less true.

I don't support Islamic terrorism. You do. I support truth and justice and the rule of law. You don't.

I support the capture and execution of war criminals. You support the war criminals.

I support honor, even during war. You support Islamic terrorist cowards who attack innocent civilians while hiding behind women and children ro maximize civilian casualties.

I support respect for holy places. You support those Islamic terrorists who hide themselves, their weapons and ammunition in mosques.

I respect the truth and evidence of history. You support the lies of the occupation and Israeli aggression.

That is a difference of opinion.

You're not going to declare a jihad on me are you?

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 329 GMT

Linda,

Supposedly one studies history so the same "mistakes" are not repeated, but I think that the politicians today do not go to the effort. I might ask why the greats such as Sun Tzu and Napoleon are still studied as part of military history if not to learn and gain insight.

That being said, the UN is a starting place, but since we both agree that the organization is "sin cajones", I don't know whether it is logical, given the track record.

I think that in planning a strategy, "we" should determine the motivator for both sides. Right now, I think neither side actually wants peace. When there is relative calm, one side or the other (mostly the extremists) do something to knock over the cart. The trick is in creating a win-win solution. I can't quite figure out what this might be ... I know that I would want self-determination and to be able to protect and provide for my children (only now it's grand and great grandchildren). Anyway, build a solution based on the commonalities that the "people in the street" want. Maybe I'm naive, but I think that the real power resides here, since the average person has the power to vote in both Palestine and Israel (if I'm not mistaken). This sort of solution is more difficult to formulate, and I'm not so sure that politicians are open-minded enough.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 330 GMT

No, I did not say to be silent. And does Israel believe that they are above the law, or are they tired of other people wanting to wipe them out? I try to see both sides.
I am sure it is stressful for all concerned.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 334 GMT

Jim,

if your a man of the law then you shouldn't have any issues commenting on the link below. You accuse Hamas of using Palestinians as human sheilds. What are your thoughts on this video though?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 335 GMT

It is a conundrum, Lynne.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 335 GMT

Former television star Roseanne Barr has denounced Israel's military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, labeling Israel a "Nazi state."

In a post on her personal blog, which appears at her Web site, Roseanne World, the comedienne, who is Jewish, wrote on December 30 that she had planned to travel with pro-Palestinian activists on a protest boat sailing from Cyprus to Gaza.

After an encounter with an Israel Navy vessel, the boat was turned back and sailed into a Lebanese port on Tuesday.

"I said Israel will attack any boat carrying doctors and medical supplies," Barr wrote on her blog, adding that, "Israel is a NAZI state. The Jewish Soul is being tortured in Israel."

The Emmy-award winning actress, who has courted controversy in the past, also condemned Israel's counter-terror operation against Hamas, asserting that, "The destruction of the Jews in Israel has been assured with this inhuman attack on civilians in Gaza."

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 336 GMT

Nick-Canada,

Exactly , The child here needs medical care and needs surgery and food for the market , like rice , sugar and all .

The borders are closed and there have to be us , who will say, we fought a war and we will not fight tomorrow ... we are up to our nick. sorry guys we need to seek peace and end the fight.

Implement the UN security Council a two state solution as were already agreed but never implemented. what do you say ...

Philip   January 5th, 2009 337 GMT

im waiting for the strong Arab countries like Saudi, Iran, Syria and Egypt to tell the people of Palestine to accept that Israel will be their neighbor, and to live in peace and solidarity with Israel. Do you think it will ever happen?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 339 GMT

That would be a good start Philip!

Linda   January 5th, 2009 342 GMT

My mom would say, "Grow up and knock it off!"

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 345 GMT

Facts:
1-jews were never persecuted by Muslims
2- jews were mostly persecuted by Christians (remember Hitler? He was not a Palestinian or a Muslim) unless jews changed history also.
3-whenever jews ran away from persecutions they hid behind and amongst the Muslims and Arabs throughout history.
4-a jew is just that, it is not a nationality, it is like saying you are a Muslim or Christian, so Israel as a concept is a failed concept, how about starting a country just for Christians or Buddhists?
5-there are Chinese jews, Somali jews, Arab jews American jews and Mexican jews, so I say everyone that his parents or grandparents were never born in Palestine just go back to where you came from and call it a day.
I am sick and tiered of you people trying to justify your existence beyond your own home countries of birth, you are like unwanted pests, just go back to your land of origins and live like any other people.

Philip   January 5th, 2009 345 GMT

hahaha yah, but i do hope that the Arab countries will accept Israel that it is there to stay.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 348 GMT

Philip. Accept for Iran all the countries you mention has already been working on a peace deal with israel. The problem is not having Arab countries recognize israel and tell Palestinians to live in peace with israel. The problem is israel from 1967 continues to take land away from Palestinians and that's what contintues to fuel this whole thing.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 348 GMT

Jamil,
you said, "am sick and tiered of you people trying to justify your existence beyond your own home countries of birth, you are like unwanted pests, just go back to your land of origins and live like any other people."

Isn't this attitude the root of the problem? Everyone came from somewhere.

Brandon   January 5th, 2009 348 GMT

what a waste of lives...
these wont be happening if itchy happy trigger hamas didnt started it....

Linda   January 5th, 2009 350 GMT

Mohammad N., can you tell me about Israel taking land away from Palestine because Israel is not very big.
Thanks

Linda   January 5th, 2009 351 GMT

Me too Philip. I would like to see everyone except everyone.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 351 GMT

Linda
when a Palestinian loses thier home and land that they have owned for thousands of years to a jews from Manhatten, NY, just because he is a jew, that is a crime that justifies a reaction, so telling that dude from Manhatten to go back to where he came from is the least I can say

Brandon   January 5th, 2009 352 GMT

LINDA

THESE PEOPLE WHO TOLERATES AND SUPPORTS HAMAS ARE INCOMPETENT IMBECILES..THEY DONT DESERVED SUCH GOOD ACCOMODATIONS IN ALL ASPECTS OF SOCIETIES....

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 353 GMT

Mohammad N. – The video is apalling, but it is just an accusation.0 What was the result of the investigation?

I've seen the videos of Hamas rocket launchers on school grounds and in highly populated civilian areas.

Even the Islamic terrorists of Hamas admit they are using women and children as human shields: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkAi_5WpGAo

Do you really think we are making this up?

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 353 GMT

Linda
brandon is a typical jew with a nasty attitude,

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 354 GMT

Since the war of 1967, Palestinians have come to accept the reality of Israel within the 1948 boundaries. The land dispute has increasingly focused on Israel's occupation of the remaining territories - the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. UN Resolutions 242 and 338 stipulate that Israel must withdraw completely from these territories. Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip on 12 September 2005, but continues to build many Jewish settlements in the other territories, actions deemed illegal by virtually all other states. The Oslo Accords (1993) and the Road Map (2003) have failed to reach a land agreement between the parties or to bring Israeli withdrawal.

Since 2002, the Israeli government has been building a "security fence" that winds deep into Palestinian territory, claiming the barrier would keep Palestinian suicide bombers from striking Israeli citizens. But this separation wall is a major de facto annexation of Palestinian territories. By building the wall and increasing settlement expansion, Israel retains control over important Palestinian economic areas, agricultural grounds and natural resources like water. The International Court of Justice has ruled that Israel's West Bank barrier violates international law, but the unequal struggle over the land of Palestine continues.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 355 GMT

hum... who does he buy the home from? Or is he just a squatter? I don't know of People from Manhattan running over to take up land in Gaza.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 355 GMT

Philip,
They are all on the same sheet of music, there is an Arab peace initiative that calls for peace with Israel , endorsed by ALL Arab states in return for a complete withdrawal from the occupied land to 1967 border .... we are still waiting acceptance .from Israel .....

Linda   January 5th, 2009 356 GMT

Jamil, I don't make or agree with any blanket statement about anyone. Don't include me in your post.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 357 GMT

Jamil.

that is what Moshe dayan said in 1954.

Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist.

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 400 GMT

Mohammad, thank you.

Linda, if you go to the BBC, you can see all the maps. Mohammad is right concerning resources. Google for geological maps. 2 of the 3 acquifers in the region lie underneath what is now the West Bank. I think that these acquifers is what Israel is really after. Think of it, if you control the water, you can virtually "force" another population to relocate by restricting water flow. Tejas and Mexico from time to time have "spats" over the water flow of the Rio Grande, and Tejas will restrict the water.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 401 GMT

Hunk – The Arabs who attacked Israel lost the 1967 war, big time. Why should Israel give up the land they won when they were brutally attacked by the Arabs?

Land for peace has just allowed Muslims to attack Israel from closer proximity. Muslims have never adhered to peace agreements. This is a part of Islam. It's in the Quran.

Why would Israel fall for this trick again?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 406 GMT

Lynne,
Yes, I know the maps well, but I was say that because Israel has pulled out of Gaza, given that land over, etc. but they are still being accused of taking the Palestinian land. I don't understand that. And Israel is not control of the West bank either, so I still don't understand.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 407 GMT

israel is the biggest lie ever,
israel was created by the European countries and America to rid thier these countried from the jews
jews were fooled into believing this hoax about a promise land and they are trying to survive in a sea of Arabs
joke is on you

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 408 GMT

Keep on posting, i am saving all of this blogs so students can read them and even make studies out of it.

A typical Jew, with white supremacy .... you are giving us a gift

Linda   January 5th, 2009 409 GMT

Thank you Mohammad for clarifying. I missed your post before I saw Lynne's.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 410 GMT

Linda,

For four years, the separation barrier that Israel has been building near the West Bank boundary has drawn Palestinian protests and frequent international censure for the hardship it imposes on the movements of Palestinians and their access to jobs and land.

But at the same time, perhaps even more restrictive measures have been imposed by the Israeli military deep inside the West Bank itself.

The internal checkpoints and barriers on roads have increasingly limited movement, something we Palestinians find especially grating, since we are not trying to enter Israel, but to go from one Palestinian area to another.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 411 GMT

I don't know where you are Jamil, But the United States has plenty of Jewish people, and we welcome them, along with Arabs, Asians, and anyone else that wants to come to our country legally.

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 413 GMT

How would you feel going to your job 6 hours before your shift is due because you have to cross 12 checkpoints within 5 miles range?

Linda   January 5th, 2009 415 GMT

Mohammad N.,
I understand that the Palestinians want to move freely, but I also understand that does not want terrorists to pass through and cause harm to them.
I did not know however, one of your points. I did not know that it hinged on the 1947 map.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 416 GMT

JAMIL – Despite your "facts", Israel has existed for thousands of years on that land, long before Mohammed made up Islam. You are just parroting some of the Muslim lies that keep these wars going. Congratulations, your programming is complete.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 417 GMT

Mohammad N., I live on a boarder state, I can not even tell you what we see here. No, we do not go through checkpoints, but we do watch the drug smuggling and violence from that.
So is there a solution? If we had more boarder security, we would not have some of the issues we do. That is why I can see the other side of your argument, I suppose.

sofia   January 5th, 2009 417 GMT

Once again disgusted by a number of the posts. This is not about religion. It's about humanity. You see a father with an almost dead child in his arms and you all can fight about who's right it is to the land? Shame on yourselves. Furthermore to then say the people who are suffering deserve this? Nobody deserves this kind of atrocity, no one.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 420 GMT

Sofia, who said anyone deserves this? Most of us on this post are trying to see where the other persons point of view comes from, and maybe clear up any misconceptions.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 421 GMT

Linda (are you blind)
stay with the subject, yes America has enough jews
israel is the biggest lie ever,
israel was created by the European countries and America to rid thier these countried from the jews
jews were fooled into believing this hoax about a promise land and they are trying to survive in a sea of Arabs
joke is on you

Linda   January 5th, 2009 423 GMT

Jamil,
you just want to argue. your first line says, "yes America has enough jews," then you say, "israel was created by the European countries and America to rid thier these countried from the jews.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 424 GMT

Jim P you are very mis-informed, before 1948 there hasnt been israel
for 3000 years, whats next? the farrohs and mummies?

Mohammad N.   January 5th, 2009 426 GMT

Linda, Jamil, Hunk, and Lynne

its been pleasure talking with you guys and I hope we can do this again soon. Please keep Gaza in your prayers.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 427 GMT

great to talk to you also. I will keep everyone around the world in my thoughts. Thank you so much for your information and respect you have shown for different opinions. That is what we all need to do.

Linda   January 5th, 2009 429 GMT

I will go too, and hope that we all practice more tolerance of other people that are different than ourselves.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 429 GMT

JAMIL – It seems that real history is very inconvenient for Muslims. Maybe you should try a textbook intead of the version of history you hear at mosques.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 430 GMT

I am going to pray too
and my deepest apologies for the women and children of Gaza, the world has let you down, may God forgive us all as we watch the slaughter of innocent people by the hands of the chosen ones.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 431 GMT

Jim P I will have a stiff Jack for you at the mosque

Lynne   January 5th, 2009 434 GMT

Mohammad, I will keep everyone in my prayers and aloha.

To both you and Linda, it has been a pleasure. I too am retiring for the night. I hope to visit with both of you again soon.

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 437 GMT

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 440 GMT

JAMIL – Your Islam is showing.

The slaughter of innocent people are on the heads of the Islamic terrorist cowards who hide among them.

Debs   January 5th, 2009 443 GMT

Solomon, Beny, Dan

This is all a terrible waste of for all.

Salam and Shalom

Jim P   January 5th, 2009 444 GMT

Goodnight all. May you be protected from the evil and cowardice of Islamic terrorism.

Kevin   January 5th, 2009 455 GMT

BRAVO IDF!!!!!!!!

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 513 GMT

What bothers me more and more, being half Jewish ,is realizing Israel has become a liability instead of an asset , Israel is messing up the whole region and the world by upsetting the arab/muslim people and by creating more youngsters prone to terrorist acts in desperation and fury. Unfortunately, Jews, as always,in their arrogance bread hatred against them, a very, very dangerous situation. Add to this their partial blame on the global financial crisis. When people realize many of the crooks in the Wall Street scandals, responsible for this global financial crisis are Jewish.....

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 522 GMT

To you all, Gaza has been in my prayers for a long time now! Good night to you all and may we wake up to a more peaceful day. If only we could alleviate their suffering in some way. Could´nt at least the children be freed and allowed to come for some time to our countries , to escape the bloodshed, to rest, and have proper treatment and food?????Couldn´t UNICEF organize that???

Suzy   January 5th, 2009 554 GMT

I am not Jewish but one of my best friends is! This is not against Jewish people. I don’t mean to offend anyone I just want to speak my mind…
A question for the media, specifically CNN: Why don't you show footage of what is really going on in Gaza? How come the Palestinian life is worth shi#? You can obtain the pictures and footage from many sources… May I suggest Al Jazeera? (besides you are CNN!! You are supposed to be more powerful than Al Jazeera, and you should be able to obtain even better footage than that channel). If the pinky of an Israeli gets a minor cut, then it is a new holocaust, you discuss it over and over and over. You discuss the consequences of that small cut, and the political and humanitarian dimensions of that injured pinky, and every single person on the face of earth should apologize for the injury of the Israeli pinky. I mean if the rest of the American people can actually see what is really going on, if they can see the actual holocaust that is going on in Gaza, the dying children, the injuries, the horror, or should I say the terror that is going on, then I am sure they would react. They would then understand what is going. And during your news casts don’t say, “can you imagine what is happening to the Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught in between the fight?” Don’t make it look like it’s an equivalent war between two countries. It’s a war between a nuclear power, with the ultimate most powerful war machinery against … nothing. I can’t think of how to describe the stupid home made fireworks (I don’t want to call them missiles). When the death toll is 600 to 2 that is not a war. That is a massacre! IT IS A COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF A COUNTRY VS SOME HOLES ON THE GROUND ON THE OTHER SIDE. Why are you so biased? Why don't you mention that Gaza has been under siege since…forever? Why don’t you mention that Israel is an occupying force? They started all of this! They have been occupying Gaza for more than 40 years. Do you understand?? Do you really understand?? Listen to me: they occupied Gaza! They killed Palestinian people in their own homes! You say Israel surrendered Gaza???? They control water, electricity, and food. They control whether you can go in or out of Gaza. The sewage from the surrounding settlements is seeping into Gaza. The people of Gaza are literally living "in shi#." No prosperity, no future, no education, no life!! Don’t tell me it is the Palestinian people’s fault. They have been occupied by the Israelis for more than 40 years (and obviously Israelis don't like Palestinian people, I guess every one knows that by now), so imagine what can be done in more than 40 years of absolute and complete occupation by people who hate you and wish you would die, rather they actually wish they could torture you and then keep you alive in pain. Can you imagine what could happen to the infrastructure of your country by such people? What would happen to the morale of the occupied people? To everything? And the day they leave you they keep you under siege. Okay, lets say for the sake of argument that the did actually give freedom to Gaza (even though technically that is not true), how do you expect people to just forget what they’ve been through? They were under occupation, and humiliation. They lived under horrible conditions. They are not educated, have no future, the infrastructure is all messed up. They never had a government for all their lives (remember they were under occupation, I want to keep repeating that, UNDER OCCUPATION). It is not their fault; it is their occupiers. Please give them some time to recover. Yes there might be some messed up things going on in there, but give them some time. I mean people please be real. Don't be blind. Go visit those areas. These people are under occupation. They are defending their country. Did anyone ever mention or show the footage of the Israeli soldiers breaking the bones of young Palestinian children with rocks? Yes with rocks? Yes 10 and 9 year old children having their bones (fingers and arms) being hit and broken with stones!! MEDIA why don’t you talk? Why don't you show? Why don't you ever mention Sabra and Shatila (google that). Why don't you talk about "Mohammed Al Dorra?" And people are asking why there are Muslim extremists! Did you ever think about asking yourselves why there never were in the past? Why are people killing themselves in suicide attacks? Why would anyone do that? How desperate do you have to be to do that? I know they are crazy people but who created them? Or what created them? Did you ever think of that? I know there are Muslim extremists I know that. But there are Jewish extremists and Christian extremists. With what is going on in Gaza now, do you really think it will actually eliminate or worsen that problem? I watched Aljazeera for 10 min and I ended up crying. You don't need more than 10 min (I did not understand anything because it is in Arabic). Again, why are you not honest? In Palestine there is no country, no government, only misery and chaos, which was created by Israel. Don't expect people to abide by rules just like that!!! I have one more question; I never understood the origin of Israel? I just realized that it was founded in 1948. Basically they collected Jewish people from all over the world (any one whose religion is Judaism) and decided to say this land is yours because 3 million years ago some people lived in this land and their religion was Judaism, and since your religion is Judaism then this land is yours. So basically if I convert to Judaism now, I will have a right to that land even though I have never ever been there nor did my father or grandfather or great great great great great great great great great grandfather. But, hey my religion is Judaism and the people who used to live there trillions of years ago were Jewish and so, you non Jew fricken bastard, even though you have been living here for almost two thousand years, your father lived here, your grand father lived here, you built this house you planted this land, you might actually be a descendant of a Jewish person (but your great great great great great ... etc grandfather decided to become a Muslim or Christian or whatever, because of course he is an idiot! and so you are not Jewish anymore) you are not allowed to live here anymore. However, me, since I decided to be Jewish, or you know what I've always been Jewish, but never lived in that land, and I don’t even speak the language or know the culture, I am basically not from there, but my only connection is that gazillions of years ago some people lived in that land, and they happened to be Jewish (because that was the only religion present at that time; neither Christianity nor Islam were there yet) and now I follow the same religion those people (again who lived trillions of gazillions of years ago) followed ... I am kicking you out, taking over your house, your land, and basically your life. You will be living like shi#, in refugee camps, I will kill you if you don't leave, I will rape your mom, sister, wife and daughter just because I like to. You poor guy you never did anything to me, you are just a farmer who is very simple and never hurt me (while all the European people tortured me, hated me, called me bloody Jew, made my life hell, discriminated against me…remember the holocaust was done by a mad person who actually was Christian...yes Hitler was Christian not Muslim to my surprise). I guess it's the rule of the jungle...the strong kills the weak. We try to rationalize but it's always been like that. I believe both nations should live in peace side by side, and I think 90% of the solution is in the hands of the Israelis. I really do, but who am I to think. One last thought (even though I am not supposed to think)…I hate religion. It is the cause of the miseries of people. Some fuc#ed up people want more power, more money, and they use religion to accomplish their sick purposes, turn people against each other...we all are humans. We all love and want to be loved (99% of us at least)...

Peace

Philip   January 5th, 2009 616 GMT

Peace to all

Sharoni   January 5th, 2009 655 GMT

What some of you fail to understand is that Hamas is murdering those children, that Hamas is the instigator of the suffering of his own people since this is the best breeding ground for fundamentalistic moslem regime.

Hamas feeds from ignorance, poverty, hatred exactly like religious regimes in the dark ages.
Hamas biggest enemy is peace and his best friend is war. Israel is essential for Hamas existence just like any of the other dark ages Arab dictatorships that use Israel to blind their own people from crimes against them.

Unlike all other Muslim countries, Israel is a democracy. Israel was founded after the Jewish nation was targeted for complete annihilation, the Jews have no other country and they will defend themselves, using any means, from another Holocaust, something that the Hamas placed as his top priority above helping their own people.

Lee   January 5th, 2009 658 GMT

Why Hamas don't evacuate women and children from those fighting places in order to protect them?

Kevin   January 5th, 2009 701 GMT

Lee- because Hamas uses them as human shields.

Hazim   January 5th, 2009 717 GMT

Kevin,
Speaking of human shields, here's a telling example. A few days ago, Israel targetted a Hamas leader by bombing his house, with his family in it (this wasn't the first such incident btw). I don't know about you, but I didn't get to choose my parents or what they did for a living. Knowingly killing those family members is a crime. Isn't the indiscriminate shelling of civilians Israel's pretext for this war? What would you say about Israel's intentional, targetted killing of civilians?

Save Palestine   January 5th, 2009 736 GMT

Lee, and to where do you suggest Hamas evacuate the women and children from this densely populated area? Why doesn't Israel give back what isn't theirs?

MIKE   January 5th, 2009 828 GMT

31 childern and 13 women killed in 24 hours by israel,
these are not humans

MIKE   January 5th, 2009 832 GMT

because Hamas uses them as human shields. ????????????
thats not ture- israelis killing anything that moves- they using 1000 pounds bombs in a residential area

Kevin   January 5th, 2009 841 GMT

Mike – Hamas takes pride in using them as human shields. In fact, in their literature they boast about it. Post when you know what you are talking about you silly little man.

Mohammad Hayat   January 5th, 2009 942 GMT

People who support the killing of innocent men, women and children are pure evil. Rational people should fight these people in every way they can. The state Israel is a terrorist organization and more powerful and evil than hamas.

Med Mateo   January 5th, 2009 942 GMT

Our hearts go out to the Palestinian and Israelite people alike especially to the children and elders caught in the cross fire. But the Palestinian people and the international community should hold Hamas leaders in choosing the path of violence to pursue their grievances. Hamas leaders knew well that continued rocket attacks to Israel will lead to a military response and thus will put their civilians in harms way. But that is what the Hama's leaders end game – more civilian casualty , mean more political mileage for Hamas and intense political pressure on Israel. The international community will again reward bad behavior if it does persecute Israel – a nation that has no alternative but to defend. itself from external attacks.
The most Israel government can do soften public opinion is to allow humanitarian aids for come in to Gaza to alleviate the suffering of the innocents.

Kevin   January 5th, 2009 948 GMT

Mohammad – then you should hate Hamas. You should also hate Islam as it promotes violence. What is the punishment for conversion from Islam again?

miriam   January 5th, 2009 949 GMT

Mike, where were you when Hamas regularly blew up bus loads of Israelis at a time and where are your comments when their rockets explode in schools, kindergartens, homes and synagogues?

Israel protects her citizens by providing shelter from harms way, whether in shelters or sewage pipes. Hamas leaders hide in tunnels beneath hospitals and mosques and build, store and launch rockets in residential neighbourhoods.

Israel tolerated Hamas aggression from Gaza for years keeping military options to a minimum. Where were all the demonstrations against Hamas and it's mistreatment of it's own population and the Fatah leadership?

Where were the demonstations against the increasing number of rocket attacks on Israel?

If 'equality' of casualty numbers are of such significance (one dead civilian is too many) why is it ok for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners to be exchanged for one Israeli, dead or alive?

MIKE   January 5th, 2009 957 GMT

80% under the poverty line 80% is the unemployment – all these cause extremists to rise – israel should end the occupation then talk about peace

miriam   January 5th, 2009 1000 GMT

When I have had to have medical treatment in an hospital corridor because of lack of beds, no mention was made of an humanitarian crisis.

Many countries have a shortage of hospital beds in a time of peace. Why should Gaza be any different especially during a war which her leadership started.

If Hamas were concerned about the humanitarian situation in Gaza they could have brought in supplies along with the weapons. Where are the bunkers full of food and medicines? I bet Hanniyeh and his crew are well supplied, underground. It's a pity they couldn't have cared for the Palestinian innocents when providing for their own security.

miriam   January 5th, 2009 1011 GMT

Why was there an 'occupation'? Who initiated the 1967 war?

Who complained during the Jordanian and Egyptian occupations?

The PLO was established before any Israeli occupation.

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and the Palestinians had a chance to provide an example of how self-rule is beneficial. Cooperation with Israel could have continued with increased independence and an improving economy, as is occurring now in the West Bank. Hamas slaughtered and threw out Fatah, EU monitors ran away and Hamas chose to establish a terrorist state instead.

Reality Check   January 5th, 2009 1036 GMT

The good doctor you quoted seems to be spending all his time being interviewed by assorted news channels. The only conclusion is that either the situation is not nearly as bad as he indicates as he has spare him or that his mission is not medical.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 1211 GMT

miriam... are you really stupid? or you are just playing the role of a stupid person?

Israel came into existence on Palesinian land in 1948. (Thats when the real occupation started). But, the Haganah, The Irgun and the Stern terrorist gangs have been terrorizing the Palestinians and their british occupiers since the 1920s and 1930s. Thats when the Ashkenazi (european jews) migration started into the Palestinian land. Read the history and know the sequence of events before you open your mouth.

miriam   January 5th, 2009 1246 GMT

lyas, sorry but I'm not stupid.

The land that became Israel was on a part of Mandatory Palestine ruled by the British after the fall of the Ottomans who had ruled over the area as part of Greater Syria(not to be confused with modern day Syria).

Jews have lived in the land for thousands of years, despite massacres, expulsion and exile. Increased immigration to the area occurred at the end of the 19th century when Jews were subject to massacres and expulsion in Europe.

The British, in 1922, proposed splitting Mandatory Palestine into an Arab state, Jordan, and a Jewish state. Jordan was formed, ruled by the Hashemites from Saudi Arabia but the Arabs rejected the idea of a Jewish state. Arabs proceeded to attack the British and the Jews, forcing the British to fear the increasing aggression and the Jews to have to defend themselves and forming groups that occasionally retaliated.

The British were eventually forced to propose a further dividing of the potential Jewish state into another Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arabs rejected this proposal that was passed as a UN resolution thereby rejecting a Palestinian state.. The Arabs immediately attacked the newly formed Jewish state.

Israel was not established on Palestinian land since Palestine was not a nation but the name of the British Mandate, itself named after the Roman term used for the region.

Israeli 'occupation' of the West Bank from Jordan and Gaza from Egypt occurred after the Arabs initiated the 1967 war in order to destroy Israel and lost.

eva BENAMY   January 5th, 2009 1326 GMT

Did you CNN make a cover on all injured and dead israelis getting over their heads the palestnian terrorist rockets ?

Did you show the 6 year boy that lost his leg because while walking on the street in SDEROT he fell under a palestinian rocket ? He cannot play football anymore as he says.

Are you getting sufficient advertising budget from the arab world that you don't stop to enhance the images of civil casualties among palestinians ?
The jewish land is at war against terrorism. And our children won't fall into these terrorists and barbarias people without a response, A cancer that Israël has to face on a daily basis since years.

eva BENAMY   January 5th, 2009 1339 GMT

The battle of images ! Arabs don't use much their brains except when it comes to suicide bombing, lies, human shiels and demonstrating their deads and CNN to promote it all over again all day long ?
Arabs never access the nobel prizes on knowlegde of technology, health, and all that make progress our humanity but when it comes to terrorism they are the greatest.
The world crisis falls into the same terrorists , in one day a suicide bomber in Irak killed 40 muslims (their own people) while tsahal does in terms of ethics what no other army will do ; try to avoid civil casualties. Jews are not after violence but they will not remain spactators of a fate getting all the hate and viloence from half of this planet. Isarel will prevale as long as its fights for its land!

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 1408 GMT

Facts:
1-jews were never persecuted by Muslims
2- jews were mostly persecuted by Christians (remember Hitler? He was not a Palestinian or a Muslim) unless jews changed history also.
3-whenever jews ran away from persecutions they hid behind and amongst the Muslims and Arabs throughout history.
4-a jew is just that, it is not a nationality, it is like saying you are a Muslim or Christian, so Israel as a concept is a failed concept, how about starting a country just for Christians or Buddhists?
5-there are Chinese jews, Somali jews, Arab jews American jews and Mexican jews, so I say everyone that his parents or grandparents were never born in Palestine just go back to where you came from and call it a day.
I am sick and tiered of you people trying to justify your existence beyond your own home countries of birth, you are like unwanted pests, just go back to your land of origins and live like any other people.

Amanda   January 5th, 2009 1421 GMT

If I were a Jew I would be deeply ashamed.

Helene   January 5th, 2009 1423 GMT

To eva BENAMY : What about the hundreds of Palestinian children who have lost more than a leg ? their life, moron ! You think we care if one Sderot child cannot play soccer ?

Soruki   January 5th, 2009 1428 GMT

What Israel is doing is wrong they are starting a private Holocaust in Gaza. They are killing innocent people who are the majority and the terrorist are still out there. The world hasn't learned yet from the past Africans (who had a long Holocaust for hundreds of years and counting) Native Americans, Jewish people (who don't recognize anybody else's Holocaust. And now as the world watches with no pity, The new victims the Palestinians being boxed in with no where to go.

Charles Thomas   January 5th, 2009 1515 GMT

It makes me sad to see innocent kids killed and maimed because of some political differences between two warring parties viz. the Jewish state of Israel and Palestine.To date they have been bitter enemies and there seems to be no end in sight. After more than 60 years of strife, only the innocents are paying the price and the live coverage of the media only adds fuel to the fire. I think in a way, the banning of the news media from entering Gaza is the right thing to do by the Israeli govt. The Hamas leadership knows that the only way to get the world's attention is to fire the first shot or for matter the first rocket but nobody outside of Israel made any comment about it. Israel as a sovereign nation had to defend itself, and the powers that be in Hamas knows that too. Israel has created a blockade or embargo of sorts simply because of the belligerent nature of Hamas, which is bent on aggravating the situation between the two countries.They were smuggling weapons from Egypt on the pretext of defending themselves against their Zionist occupiers. But is it really the reason. Hamas is bankrupt. It needs money to survive. The worlds attention is on the current economic crises and they want the worlds, especially the Arab's world's, attention on them again, so that they can get the funds.So when the casualty figures come rolling in with the usual sound bites and videos of street protests, it works to the advantage of Hamas. Hamas is a pro-Islamic front, unlike Fatah, where there are both Christians and Muslims in its fold, and they need to show their Muslim brethren that they are the best people to fight for Palestinian rights, not the more moderate Fatah. I believe the Jewish state was several steps ahead some years ago when they intentionally 'helped' the schism develop between Fatah and Hamas. To separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.The strategy of 'Divide and Conquer'. Nobody but nobody speaks about the real agenda of Hamas. Is it the complete destruction of Israel or is it something which is buried in tons of rhetoric? Now, Hamas has all the publicity they want. The Arabic world itself is at odds and are divided on the issue of the Palestinian question. And the rest of the world i.e. the UN, would be just paying lip service. The blood of the innocents both in Palestine and Israel ask for answers and justice. To think that Arafat called the Jews his cousins! Peace to all and goodwill to all men. – Charles

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 1655 GMT

Charles,

You forgot that its the assassination of all Hamas leaders one after the othet, which actually lead to a greater sympathy and this on its turn lead to the election of Hamas.

Why Israel did that ? you can as many reason as you wish

but again ...

Its the Israeli diplomacy that's bringing the region to this much of bloodbath and tensions.

Do Israel expect to negotiate with friends? no and if the think that this action will bring them a Palestinian leader who will accept "whatever" is a dream.

how the actual event happened is this :

From 19-Jun-2008 until 02-Nov-2008, the ceasefire was holding until 2-nov Israeli forces kill 4 Palestinians

05-Nov-2008 Israel seals of and close all border points .

I know that you will say how it happened is irrelevant by again, we all know that Barrak said they been preparing – laying the ground – for the last six-month.

Its a political game that only Palestinians will suffer out of it.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 1716 GMT

eva BENAMY,

, Arabs never access the noble prizes on knowledge of technology,"

Those same technology was based on our methods .. can you say NO ?

Nobel peace prize winner is Sadat.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1978/press.html

Go and do something with your life other than spreading this lies which is the only things you are good at. people like you who are bringing the world to its knees. did god tell you to do that ?

Selin Barlas Yamaner   January 5th, 2009 1812 GMT

I would like to know what Hollywood’s ‘goodwill ambassadors’ are doing for the Palestinian people while Israel is ‘handling the situation’ via ethnic cleansing. When it comes to Africa George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Ashley Judd and others claim to be the voices of the less fortunate..I think this is nothing but using goodwill for publicity. If these actors consider themselves as angels of humanity why hasn’t anyone responded to Israel’s crime of humanity against the Palestinians.They are silenced by their greed for money because of their fear of not getting movie offers. Since Hollywood is owned by Jewish filmmakers I assume this is how far these actors’ concern for humanity goes.

Selin Barlas, Turkey

Truth   January 5th, 2009 1821 GMT

is this Gaza or hamas Israel is after???/
No the truth is Gas, according to a News paper.
Gaza coast line strected 35KM and has huge Natural gas reservers.

Same motive as Uncle sam has in AIRAQ.

So stop arguing

Lee   January 5th, 2009 1821 GMT

Save Palestine and Mike,

The fighting area is stretched on a small area so if the Hamas really want to protect their own people they should move them to the safe zone. In fact they had few days to arrange that because the IDF warned them that he is going to invade Gaza.

Lee   January 5th, 2009 1849 GMT

Jamil,

You are such an ignorant. Israel was persecuted by Iran that threatens all the time to destroy it by a nuclear weapon, Iraq was sending Scud missiles over Israel in 1991 and then the second war in 2003. The Hizbullah abducted Israeli soldier in 2006. And you can read by yourself about the wars in the history books or what ever, but stop misleading the public.

Waleed Dreegia   January 5th, 2009 2024 GMT

U.S.A biggest supporter of Israel. Majority of americans dont know jack about the regions history and automatically are in favor of israeli actions regardless of the ignorance of the situation. very sad.

zola GreatNigeria   January 5th, 2009 2115 GMT

Let Israel stop action just for the sake of GOD but then is also a

high time to teach terrorists a lesson

Danielle   January 5th, 2009 2358 GMT

As long as people use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities, the world will never be a better place.
Religion should be banned world wide in order for people to take responsibility for their actions rather than calling it 'Holy wars' and 'for God'
Imagine being God, now looking down on His creation, – on the one hand he has the Israeli people, and on the other, the Islamic Hamas supporters, both praying to Him and believing that God will ensure their victory. They are praying to the same God!

Ask yourself if God would want any part of this madness:
If you are a parent (as God is to all of us) – you have two children, each asking you to help him/her kill the other, what would you do?
How dare any one call any war a Holy war.
What happened to your fear of God? He is not your pawn, He is not your tool, He is not your excuse to kill.

And then my dear mad religious fanatics, it is not even the end of it – you will have to answer to the same God on judgment day for the killing and terror, hiding behind a robe that God has not woven for you, or any other blood thirsty madman on this earth claiming that they are enforcing God's will!

Linda   January 6th, 2009 049 GMT

Selin Barlas Yamaner,
you wrote:
would like to know what Hollywood’s ‘goodwill ambassadors’ are doing for the Palestinian people while Israel is ‘handling the situation’ via ethnic cleansing. When it comes to Africa George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Ashley Judd and others claim to be the voices of the less fortunate..I think this is nothing but using goodwill for publicity. If these actors consider themselves as angels of humanity why hasn’t anyone responded to Israel’s crime of humanity against the Palestinians.They are silenced by their greed for money

We in the United States do not give that much creedence to what the stars of hollywood have to say. Most of us think that they have an unrealistic view of themselves. Please don't depend on them to take up any cause that will not beneficial to them in the long run. Theere are few exceptions, but the Americans don't really pay much attention to most of them. Their voice is no more important that any of the rest of our citizens.

Linda   January 6th, 2009 053 GMT

Danielle,
you wrote:
What happened to your fear of God? He is not your pawn, He is not your tool, He is not your excuse to kill.

Good Point!

Lynne   January 6th, 2009 102 GMT

Hi Linda,

You are so right about Hollywood! I'm getting sick of the celebs making it on the World News every night. Like I really care what they think!

Did you see Reuters on-line today? The Shifa Hospital now only has intermittent lights, and no spare parts for medical equipment. And nobody has come to the fore to protest this situation. The (European) doctors are saying that most of the folks being treated are civilians, and not militants.

Linda   January 6th, 2009 118 GMT

Hi to you Lynne,
I watched several reports today. I have to say, I'm saving judgement on what they are saying. It seems that something isn't right. I was a Paramedic, Medivac, and I will tell you that these patients should have blood on them, they should have IV's started, and the Dr. shouldn't be out in a hallway speaking to the press with 6 strange looking men standing behind him. Who were they, I'm being very careful about what I believe at the moment. I am not there, and I have a hard time just taking someone's work for it.
How are you doing tonight?
The Americans are sooooooooooooooo over Hollywood!

Lynne   January 6th, 2009 135 GMT

Linda,

Yeah, did wonder but NBC Nightly also showed a doc - most of the folks in the background appeared to be pts. Kinda wonder, if the Israelis aren't letting in foreign journalists ...

Been surfing on/off during the day trying to see what's on Euro news sites (read several languages besides English). Being in hospital admin (ops, but about a year from retirement), I'm concerned. I don't imagine conditions are remotely similar to field conditions (probably much worse), judging from what a Nam-era Medivac friend (pilot) has told me.

I wonder what's really happening, since I saw that the Israeli military has said that they want to control the pictures coming out of Gaza (think this was on Yahoo! news around noon CST). I would be pretty sure that the hospitals are running short on everything, judging from what my hospital "uses" everyday - and we aren't even Level III and most surgeries OP elective.

As far as how I'm doing ... it's really cold here in DFW. Or at least too cold for someone who's been living in HI for the past 3 years 8)

Linda   January 6th, 2009 141 GMT

We are in the same area, Imagine that. This cold front came in Hard.

Linda   January 6th, 2009 142 GMT

I just don't know about the media, on either side. I am trying to gather information and form my own opinion. One news media says one thing, and then another one says another. It is very frustrating, how do we know what is really happening?

najam   January 6th, 2009 145 GMT

Where are the voices of the Civilized nations when we witness innocent children and citizens getting terrorized and killed. We as human race have lost our conscience .

Lynne   January 6th, 2009 148 GMT

Linda,

Wow! wonders never cease. I'm in "4-corners" (Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney). Houston native, though.

In your experience, what do you think the logistics would be for anyone trying to "run meds"?

Linda   January 6th, 2009 200 GMT

It's hard for me to say Lynne. I am not on the ground, in the area. It is very easy to say when you are not in the middle of it. of course it's always doable to some extent.

Linda   January 6th, 2009 206 GMT

Najam,
I agree with you.
"where are the voices of the Civilized nations when we witness innocent children and citizens getting terrorized and killed. We as human race have lost our conscience ."
This is going on all over the world.

Mohammad Hayat   January 6th, 2009 206 GMT

Kevin,
There is no punishment for conversation from Islam. I don't know if you are a christian or a jew. I have these people preaching hatred towards muslims because they think they are fighting a crusade against the muslims. People from these religions can not think rationaly. They lie a lot.

nonita lanogon   January 6th, 2009 227 GMT

this is my quistion i cant say good speck in english. my question is whay them do to bomp or put the bomp, y concern is the peaple of inocent specially the children i watch the cnn my hain in my skin up coz i see all happen whats wrong with him..what need why they do bad...why them like to fight and make kill having peaple? why them need fight.the no soul. no feel hurt about have a family. i cry when i watch the news i see the kids my god...the bomp is holy land...sir or madam. i pray i wish have peace there in mewd. east all here in philippines is pray to peace..keep up the works and take care always god bless all. have peace peace,,scared to god,,

Linda   January 6th, 2009 242 GMT

nonita lanogon,
both side they they are right. both sides have killed innocent people, and as long as they both to fight about things in the past, instead of stop now and move on from here, with help from other nations, this will continue. I think a lot of us cry when we watch the news.
Great to hear from someone in the Philippines. Welcome!

Mom Bleeding Tears   January 6th, 2009 446 GMT

Where do I start, well I just got on and read the first few blogs, and decided to just say a few words. I am 3rd generation American, With Palestinian heritage, a mom of 2 (who are 4th generation americans), who thinks I don't give a crap who started this and who's at fault. All I care about are the children and other civilians suffering and being tormented. Many on here had amazing points, I focused mostly on dominique since he was all the way at the top of this blog, and want to say I have so much respect for u and hope to learn so much more from u. My husband is from Jerusalem and have traveled to "The Holy Land" and have seen both sides of the world, and let me tell u something, from my own experience, most of the Jews and Arabs there who include Muslims and Christian for those of u that commented that women have no rights and all that BS which is not true, are ordinary civilians that want peace. Both Arabs and Jews are friends and neighbors, my husband and I have so many Jewish friends, and honestly many Jews in Israel I noticed have no idea how bad the West Bank have it, and the civilians that I've befriended really think that the Palestinian people hve great lives just live the Israeli side. Listen, I can go on and on about this, I think u have gotten my point. So I just want to say this, I am so sick of the pointing fingers, who cares who's at fault, the point so many innocent people in Gaza are being tortured and are suffering, FOR WHAT? Oh my heart bleeds when I see the children scared and tortured, I know this is harsh but I'd rather see the children rest in Peace then for them to live this teormenting pain, and for the Isralei children that don't know what's going on hiding in shelters also wondering "What did we do to deserve this?"
Come on, Let's face it there's no end to this. Already the next generation, my children't generation both the Palestinians and Israelis are traumatized and probably are developing angry emotions that'll be inserted in them probably permanantly.
And the way the Israelis just go into Gaza the way they did, come on? I don't care if any of u blame Hamas, so be it, let them supposedly be the blame. That doesn't mean any one has the right to do what is being done the people of Gaza. So if there's a murderer in your the block u live on, does that mean the police should come and shoot at all the houses including yours jsut to get the murderer? So I don't give a crap about the Arab leaders, nor the U.S. , not the Zionists.
Another thing I am so sick of everyone thinking this is a religious war. It is not.

Anna A   January 6th, 2009 505 GMT

Oh so much ignorance, ignorance and brainwashing by the rabis, the schools, the IDF, whatever. If only these young jews who are amusing themselves by targeting palestinians, had serious and honest history lessons, knew the origin and race of those who came from
central and eastern europe, really knew the provinces, peoples, and kingdoms of the region they now call Israel 2000 yrs ago they would perhaps not be so arrogant and not write such nonsense in these blogs. Sheer propaganda! You are too young to even remember who used this type of propaganda,( the Vaterland, the pure Arian race, o yes!). I am old and watched it unfold, I have lived history and I know only too well how Israel came about!

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 516 GMT

ARTICLE ON ISRAELS ATTROCITIES LEADING TO ROCKET ATTACKS.. ITS NOT A ROCKET SCIENCE TO FIND OUT EHY HUMANS GET SO FRUSTATED

An Experiment in Famine
Hamas is Not the Real Issue
By NEVE GORDON

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

The experiment in famine began on January 18, 2008. Israel hermetically closed all of Gaza's borders, preventing even food, medicine and fuel from entering the Strip. Power cuts, which had been frequent for many months, were extended to 12 hours per day. Due to the electricity shortage, at least 40 percent of Gazans have not had access to running water (which is channeled through electric pumps) for several days and the sewage system has broken down. The raw sewage that has not spilled onto the streets is now being poured into the sea at a daily rate of 30 million liters. Hospitals have been forced to rely on emergency generators leading them to cut back, yet again, on the already limited services offered to the Palestinian population. The World Food Programme has reported critical shortages of food and declared that it is unable to provide 10,000 of the poorest Gazans with three out of the five foodstuffs they normally receive.

After five days of extreme suffering, a group of Hamas militants took the lead, and blew-up parts of the steel wall along the Egyptian border. Within hours more than 100,000 Gazans crossed the border into Egypt. They were hungry, thirsty and sick of being locked up in a filthy cage. Once in Egypt they bought everything they could get their hands on and waited patiently for the international community to intervene on their behalf. Yet the world leaders failed them again, and on January 28, after a five day respite, the iron wall was re-erected and the Palestinians were pushed back into the world's largest prison - the Gaza Strip.

Ehud Barak, Israel's Minister of Defense, did not stammer when he justified his decision to experiment with famine; he had no qualms about introducing a policy that historically only the most brutal leaders have adopted.

His argument seems rational. Barak said that no government in the world would tolerate the ongoing bombardment of its citizens from across the border. Since other measures - like harsh economic sanctions, extra-judicial executions, the ongoing barrage of northern parts of the Strip as well as the bombardment of several critical infrastructure sites, like the electric power plant and Palestinian government offices - did not do the job, Israel had no other option.

This ostensibly rational argument conveniently ignores the fact that since its victory in the January 2006 democratic elections Hamas has proposed several cease-fire agreements, the latest emerging just last week. In these proposals, Hamas agrees to stop launching missiles at Israeli citizens, in exchange for Israel ending its incursions into Gaza, the assassinations of militants and political leaders, and the economic blockade.

Hamas's proposals underscore two important facts. First, despite what Barak says the use of force is not the only option Israel has: The government could decide to open a dialogue with Hamas based on a cease-fire agreement. Second, it emphasizes, as Israeli critic Uri Avnery cogently observes, that Israel is cynically using the assaults on its own citizens as a pretext for attempting to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza and for preventing a Hamas takeover in the West Bank.

Ultimately, though, even the courageous Avnery does not spell out Israel's main objective. The central issue for Israel is not Hamas yes or no, but rather Palestinian sovereignty yes or no. The recent crisis reveals, once more, that Israel's August 2005 unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was not an act of decolonization but rather the reorganization of Israeli power and the implementation of neo-colonial rule. Israel realized that in order to maintain sovereignty all it would have to do is preserve its monopoly over the legitimate means of movement. Very different from the withdrawal of British forces from the various colonies of old, it accordingly continued to dominate Gaza's borders, transforming the Strip into a container of sorts whose openings are totally controlled by Israel.

The experiment in Gaza is, in other words, not really about the bombardment of Israeli citizens or even about Israel's ongoing efforts to undermine Hamas. It is simply a new draconian strategy aimed at denying the Palestinians their most basic right to self-determination. It is about showing them who is in control, about breaking their backs, so that they lower their expectations and bow down to Israeli demands. The Palestinians understood this and courageously destroyed their prison wall while crying out into the wilderness for international support. Instead of the expected outrage, the only response they received was a weak echo of their own cry for help.

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 521 GMT

BRANDON,

IF YOU WANT TO STOP SUICIDE MISIONS THEN SEE IF YOU CAN ARRANGE TO DELIVER ANY DECENT BOMBS OR SMART BOMBS TO PALESTINIANS.

UNTIL THEN THEY ONLY ONE WAY TO DELIVER THERE MSG AGAINST THE OCCUPATON ARMY

Linda   January 6th, 2009 523 GMT

Anna,
I would imagine you have amazing stories considering you lived it.

Linda   January 6th, 2009 609 GMT

Hey CNN,
Since you are reporting that aide is getting into Gaza, and you are showing pictures of the trucks, why not start a new blog with that as the headline.
That sounds like progress and don’t you think everyone could use a little good news? Something positive perhaps.

Moi   January 6th, 2009 811 GMT

Abdul,

I seen pictures of fat palestinians...where did they get their food if nothing is coming into Gaza?? You're just slandering with more pro-palestinian propaganda. Stop polluting cyberspace.

Save Palestine   January 6th, 2009 855 GMT

I am an Arab, Jordanian by birth, I am an American, by naturalization, I am a Roman Catholic, I am a mother, I am a sister, I am a daughter and friend and when the day comes, these titles won't matter...what will matter is how we lived our life.

Miriam, I wanted to comment on this statement: Increased immigration to the area occurred at the end of the 19th century when Jews were subject to massacres and expulsion in Europe. You are right, and it is because of this increased immigration in my opinion that is the focal point of this conflict.

To All:
There is a myth that Arabs and Jews have been fighting for years. This is not true. The Jews flourished among the Arabs in a time when they were being persecuted throughout Europe. However these settlers were led to believe the area of Palestine was empty, that Palestine was a "land without people for a people without a land"as I read somewhere. But the Arabs had farms and villages and towns and markets and commerce and the area of Palestine was overwhelmingly Arab and they thrived. The Zionist Jews began the conflict by having their eyes set on developing a homeland for the Jews in the land of Palestine and this is really the beginning of the conflict. The population in the late 1880s in Palestine was overwhelmingly Arab at the time – 96% of the area's 460000+ were Arab Christian and Muslims, with Jews holding the remaining 3%.
Take a look at some important events in the below timeline: – how can Palestine not react when settlers were driving them from their homes and their land and the area they had cultivated and made to prosper? If someone was entering your home in hordes and you were threatened, would you not fight back?

1882-1903
First wave of 25,000 Zionist immigrants enters Palestine, coming mainly from eastern Europe.
1882
Baron Edmond de Rothschild of Paris starts financial backing for Jewish settlement in Palestine.
1896
Theodor Herzl, an Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist and writer, publishes Der Judenstaat, advocating establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine or elsewhere.
1896
Jewish Colonization Association, founded in 1891 in London by German Baron Maurice de Hirsch, starts aiding Zionist settlements in Palestine.
1897
First Zionist Congress in Switzerland issues the Basle Program calling for the establishment of a "home for the Jewish people in Palestine." It also establishes the World Zionist Organization (WZO) to work to that end.
1904-1914
Second wave of about 40,000 Zionist immigrants increases Jewish population in Palestine to about 6% of total. Since the inception of Zionism it has been claiming that Palestinian was an empty country,
1914
World War I starts.
1917
Balfour Declaration. British Secretary of State Balfour pledges British support for "a Jewish national home in Palestine."
30 October
World War I ends.

1919-1923
Third wave of over 35,000 Zionist immigrants increases Jewish population in Palestine to 12% of total. Registered Jewish landownership (1923) totals 3% of area of country.

1922
First British census of Palestine shows population of 757,182 -78% Muslim Arab, 11% Jewish, 9.6% Christian Arab.
1924-1928
Fourth wave of 67,000 Zionist immigrants, over 50% from Poland, increases Jewish population of Palestine to 16% of total. Registered Jewish landownership (1928) totals 4.2% of area of country.
1929-1939
Fifth wave of over 250,000 Zionist immigrants increases Jewish population in Palestine to 30% of total. Registered Jewish landownership (1939) totals 5.7% of area of country.
1931
December
Lewis French, British director of development for Palestine, publishes report on "landless Arabs," caused by Zionist colonization.
1933
British Secretary of State issues statement on resettlement of Palestinian farmers displaced from land acquired by Zionists.
1935
Revisionists quit World Zionist Organization (WZO) to form New Zionist Organization with aim of "liberating" Palestine and Transjordan.

1937
Royal (Peel) Commission report recommends partitioning Palestine into Jewish state comprising 33% of country including Haifa, Galilee, and coastal plain north of Isdud; Arab state in rest of country (to become part of Transjordan); and British mandatory enclaves including Jerusalem. Part of Palestinian population to be forcibly transferred, if necessary, from Jewish state.
23 July
Arab Higher Committee rejects Royal Commission proposal and demands independent unitary Palestine with protection of "legitimate Jewish and other minority rights" and the safeguarding of British interests. Rebellion intensifies.
September
Arab National Congress at Bludan, Syria, attended by 450 delegates from Arab countries, rejects partition proposal, demands end to Mandate, a stop to Zionist immigration, and prohibition of transfer of Palestinian lands to Zionist ownership.

9 November
Report of British Woodhead technical commission of inquiry (January-April 1938) declares impracticability of Royal Commission's partition proposal. British call for general conference on Palestine in London attended by Arabs, Palestinians, and Zionists.
1939
World War II begins
1940-1945
Arrival of over 60,000 Zionist immigrants, including 20-25,000 who have entered the country illegally (April 1939-December 1945), increases Jewish population in Palestine to 31% of total. Registered Jewish landownership rises to 6.0% of area of country.
1940
Biltmore Conference in New York attended by Zionist leaders from U.S. and Palestine, urges that "Palestine be established as a Jewish commonwealth."
1943
November
Five-year limit on Jewish immigration (expiring April 1944) extended so all 75,000 visas permitted in 1939 White Paper can be filled.
1945
End of World War in Europe.
September
Large-scale illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine resumes under Haganah control.
13 November
British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin issues White Paper announcing continued Jewish immigration into Palestine after exhaustion of 1939 White Paper quota.
1946
11-12 June
Arab League meeting in Bludan, Syria, adopts secret resolutions warning Britain and U .S. that disregard for Palestinian rights will damage their oil and commercial interests in Arab world.
1947
18 February
Bevin announces submission of Palestine problem to United
Nations.
28 April-15 May
UN General Assembly special session on Palestine problem leads to appointment of eleven-member Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP).
8 September
Publication of UNSCOP report. Majority of members recommends partition, minority recommends federal solution.
16-19 September
Arab League denounces UNSCOP partition recommendation, and appoints Technical Military Committee to supervise Palestinian defense needs.
29 September
Arab Higher Committee rejects partition.
2 October
Jewish Agency accepts partition.
7-15 October
Arab League meets at Aley, Lebanon. Iraqi General Isma'il Safwat, chairman of Technical Committee, warns of dangers posed by Zionism at end of Mandate and urges Arab states to mobilize their utmost force and efforts to counter Zionist intentions." One million pounds sterling allocated to Technical Military Committee.
29 October
Britain says it will leave Palestine in six months if no settle-
ment reached.
27 November
Report by Safwat warns of virtual impossibility of overcoming Zionist forces with irregulars; urges prompt Arab action in organizing military force; advocates training Palestinians to defend themselves.
29 November
UN General Assembly recommends variant of UNSCOP partition plan allocating 56.5% of Palestine to Jewish state and 43% to Arab state with international enclave around Jerusalem; 33 votes for, 13 against, 10 abstentions. Arab representatives walk out 30.
2 December
Palestinians start three-day strike protesting UN Partition Resolution. Intercommunal clashes leave 8 Jews and 6 Palestinians dead.
8 December
Britain recommends to UN that Palestine Mandate be terminated on 15 May 1948 and independent Jewish and Palestinian states be established two weeks later.
8-17 December
Arab League Political Committee meeting in Cairo declares partition illegal and resolves to provide 10,000 rifles, 3,000 volunteers (including 500 Palestinians) and a further 1,000,000 pounds sterling to Technical Military Committee.
17 December
Jewish Agency Executive reports that American Jews will be asked for $250 million to help Jewish community in Palestine.
21 December-late March 1948
Haganah and IZL attack villages and Bedouin settlements of coastal plain north of Tel Aviv in first coastal "clearing" operation.
December 1947-January 1948
Arab Higher Committee organizes 275 local committees for defense of Palestinian towns and villages.

miriam   January 6th, 2009 952 GMT

SP,

Jews lived peacefully under Muslim rule as dhimmis. They had limited rights and no right to complain. They lived, as they did in any diaspora society, quietly obeying laws however repressive they were.
When they were kicked out of various countries it was natural for them to seek a refuge in the land that has always been central to their religion and from where they originated as a nation.

!n the 1880s, the population of Jerusalem was majority Jewish and the main concentration of the Jewish community since outside the city walls, the Jews were attacked.

Most of the remaining population in the land consisted of nomadic Beduin and migrant workers who were temporary employees of a few Arab and Ottoman landowners.

There was no Palestine, it was part of Greater Syria(not to be confused with present Syria) and ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

With Jewish immigration, many of the landowners sold their land to Jews, leaving their former employees disgruntled, most unwilling to continue employment under their new landowners and claiming land for themselves. That's the reason many Palestinians (but not all) can't produce any papers prooving land ownership.

The British census of Mandatory Palestine included Transjordan which was subsequently partitioned off to form an Arab state, Jordan. the remainder was to become the Jewish state. The Arabs didn't accept any Jewish state and increased their attacks on Jews and the British, facts you conveniently omit from your list.

You can not twist facts to deny Jews the right to a homeland in Israel

You can not deny the fact that Arabs have never accepted the the right for anyone other than Muslims to live in the region, unless as dhimmis, subject to restrictions and inequality.

Hunk   January 6th, 2009 1016 GMT

Anna A,

You got it all right .... Bravo .... I try reading the name the name you mentioned on Google.

Hunk   January 6th, 2009 1029 GMT

miriam

You are still twisting the facts read Occupation 101 , they were nothing more than 30000, ... and Arab Jews .... they lived side by side and used to siting of each other babies ....

As the rest of all your comments ..... both parties have agreed on the 1967 borders ....so Israel need to withdraw .... existed not existed is a waste of time .... and refuting the hatred ...... wake no devil ....

miriam   January 6th, 2009 1047 GMT

I'm not twisting any facts.

No agreement has been made about 1967 borders.

1967 borders are the basis for discussion but it is recognized by the international community that those borders are not practical for any final agreement.

Joan Araujo   January 6th, 2009 1653 GMT

Shame on CNN and the media for exploiting these poor wounded civilians all over again and doing the work of Hamas for them. Maybe you can show more pictures of wounded children. The Hamas leaders use you to play on the sympathies of humanity... Where I come from ,tossing rockets across a border is an act of war. Who says we have to respond with like force? You raise your weapon, all bets are off.. Someone seems to have rewritten the rules of war and not let anypne know. Hamas hides their weapons in civilian areas and shoots from civilain areas. Where is the outcry for that? There is no such thing as precision warfare. Hamas needs to be impeached for endangering the welfare of their citizenry. First they bought them with goodies to win the vote. Now it's all about their politics and hatred. If you catch a tiger by the tail, you better have a better game plan than this.

Ufuoma   January 6th, 2009 1714 GMT

Isreal should stop sacrificing and injuring innocent palestinian children who don't know what the meaning of sacrifice is, all in the name of trying to stop Hamas. The images are really disturbing.

CS   January 7th, 2009 408 GMT

BREAKING NEWS JUST IN FROM CNN!
GO TO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBiycEz12s

Nina   January 7th, 2009 442 GMT

First of all, all the name calling and insults are so unnessecary for us all, let's focus on discussion and facts. I don't know how many of you have actually lived in that region, whether Palestinian or Israeli, but I have. I am a Palestinian and my experience there, was difficult to say the least. And I lived there in the years of 1994-1997, when Hamas was barely known, and the Oslo Peace accords were signed shortly before. For everyone saying Israel would be nice to the Palestinians if they just stopped harming them... I strongly disagree. Because living for 3 years in a time where there was "peace" I was still treated as a 2nd class citizen by Israelis, not to mention I was born in America and I am an American citizen. I am not able to visit for more than 3 months and if I violate that I take the chance of never being able to return which I am sure I may not ever be due to the fact that I lived there. My family lived in decent conditions, considering our surroundings – however – many times we were blocked from going to school, shopping... etc. Israelis may freely drive anywhere and walk anywhere they please without question, yet, we wait in line for hours to prove our identity and request permission to pray in our own mosques. I've known plenty of people whose homes or families homes were bulldozed for illegal settlements. And if one were to protest most times they were arrested or bulldozed in their home. This is a reality. No one agrees with the actions of killing civilians on either side. However, I think most of the anger of the Arabs comes from the fact that Israel has indeed violated many laws, before attacks from Hamas, for instance, the expansion or settlements, the arrest of children for no reason, the violation of international law, the violation of the Geneva convention, the lack of aid to the Palestinian authority, and the same rights as Israeli citizens let alone basic human rights. Israelis are allowed Israeli AND American citizenship, Palestinians are not. During every peace talk the Palestinians (and Hamas) have requested to lift the borders and the wall that have been put into place illegally and to revert to pre-1967 conditions. Israel has not complied with this. Also, a lot of the anger from different countries is the alliance the US has created with Israel where they do not condemn anything they do, and they provide an obscene amount of grants to them every year (while other countries are starving) and for the most part Israel is not required to pay this back. I can write for hours about this crisis... it's unfortunate. The sad thing is, the Jews were displaced, and now the Palestinians are. Where is the line? They lived peacefully in the state of Palestine without all of this fighting before the creation of Israel in 1948. I truly believe if the Palestinians received the same treatment as the Israelis things would be different. That doesn't excuse their actions... but living in those conditions and being stripped of everything you ever knew, including your identity, is quite traumatizing. For those of you condemning Palestinians, I urge you to research more before passing judgement. And for those of you bad mouthing Israel and Jews, it's not helping our cause any. I pray for a solution, but only God knows when it will end. I hope he protects the innocent.

mom bleeding tears   January 7th, 2009 507 GMT

so far 600 Palestinians + dead.................... 45% Children
Shame on all the leadres of the world siiting down drinking their coffee and watching.. And shame on the people that think the Palestinians deserve this..
That's all I have to say...

Khati   January 7th, 2009 702 GMT

Why does CNN only show these heartbraking pictures of the Palestinian children? Why dont you guys remind to the world that Palestinians have indeed being bombing Israeli innocent civilians for years, show tha painful pictures of 21 young innocent kids killed and 160 injured back in 2001 in Dolphin disco! What about all the bus bombings? Its being years that israeli people suffer from Palestinians and yes ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

If Israel will not destroy the enemy, they will become stronger, will raise more children to be suicide bombers, gain more rockets and guess what? One day each and every single of you can become their victim.

Brandon   January 7th, 2009 833 GMT

ABDUL

NO COUNTRY OR ANY GOVERNMENT ( EXCLUDING IRAN AND SYRIA....) WOULD SUPPORT TERRORISTS HAMAS JUST TO WAGE THEIR IDIOTIC WAR AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE... JUST TO END LIVES...

DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE,THESE HAMAS RISED TO POWER JUST TO WAGE WAR WITH ISRAEL AND YET,THE PALESTINIANS REMAINS IMPOVERISHED AFTER SO MANY YEARS....WHAT THESE TERRORISTS DONE SO FAR TO ALLEVIATE THEIR LIVES??? NOTHING........

Kevin   January 7th, 2009 1251 GMT

The double standards in this world never seize to amaze me. The emotional rubbish is absolutely stunning. I have never seen this hatred spewed against Israel anywhere else! So many of you are outraged, sickened, tormented and I don’t know what else by what you see on the TV. You are crying and your hearts are breaking when you see women and children dying in Gaza.
My question is, how many of you, all you emotional wrecks, cried one tear about the 800,000 people; yes eight hundred thousand people, who were murdered by Islamists in Darfur. How many of you cried one tear, when the Islamists systematically starved thousands of children and their mothers to death? How many of you cried one tear when these Islamist, friends of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda, gunned down thousands of unarmed men, women and children and left their bodies to rot in the desert? How many of you wanted to protest against the government in Sudan, get people to disinvest in Sudan and their friends? Is it because it happened in Africa? Is it ok for Islamists to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people but you want to condemn the Israelis for the death of innocent people being used as human shields by your brave Hamas fighters? Is it ok because you didn’t see it on TV? You make me sick!

Abbas Akbar   January 7th, 2009 1533 GMT

It was sad to see so many people suffering just because they use democratic way and voted there faverut government,Gaza .I was further sadden to see our CNN lady Hala Gurrni was so cold about people suffer ,,,pleas have a heart people that are being killed are humans ,
Cnn should get rid of her or teach her to care for people.

Susan   January 7th, 2009 1551 GMT

If you guys wont stop the war...for any stupid reasons...pleez send all the women and children to safe and very far place from you two (palestine & israel!). Then you can kill each others again and again..dont you guys gets bored?
Israel is to blame, they're killing children, palestine just defending theirself and kills israel army...israel killing children, bombing ambulances, schools, etc...and just act like they are the victim.
Sad sad world...and yes, Hala Gorani is cold...
Well, thats my opinions...the point is we have to stop the war..no more killing..for humans and animals, living in this world and dont matter the races, religions, skin colours, languages, etc.
Peace!

Britney   January 7th, 2009 1619 GMT

Dunno whose fault, but in my case : killing women and children, bombing schools/hospitals and ambulances is so sick, inhuman and coward!
This new year, israel kills many palestine's women and children, and acting like they're the victim, palestine just kills israel army to defending theirself.
Please send all your women and children to safe and far far place...then you guys (palestine & israel men) can continue killing each other for any stupid reasons!
This century we should build a world of free polution and free from differentiation..we should make a better world, not war....
Peace!

Michael   January 7th, 2009 1622 GMT

Stop killing the women and children!
You guys make the god angry!
I still want to see our world become better and better place...don't you?

Bruce   January 7th, 2009 1625 GMT

Hmm..seeing this bolg and many people with their argues...not solving anything...

Natasya   January 7th, 2009 1629 GMT

Stop the shootings and bombing for just 3 hours daily? gezzzzz...why not 12 hours or more?
Sometimes I don't get this world....

Dutch   January 7th, 2009 1845 GMT

For those who studied this problem it is clear this is a very, very, very complicated problem and there is no easy solution. But in the end it is simple. Ask yourself this simple question:
what will happen if the Palestinians (or muslims for that mater) will lay down their weapons and what will happen if Israel will lay down its weapons?
I think most of you will know the answer.

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